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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 08:58:52 PM »
They were desperate looking for anyone to solve their problems

Yeah. But, ridiculous tactics won the day.
I guess one can take something from that.
No wonder he thought he could take Russia.

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2007, 09:04:29 PM »
The model holds. Some people simply aren't
capable of handling democracy.

Voting to dissolve our decision making
body, and replace it with an authoritarian
rule is the same.

I didn't realize we'd voted to become a tyranny.

When did this happen?

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2007, 09:07:50 PM »
It's an issue of the WC.
Most sites really are tyrannies.
We have been trying to run
ourselves. Most members who
wanted to join the body, didn't
have the stomach to face what is
involved in democracy.

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2007, 02:03:22 AM »
Heil, er, me.  :evillaugh:

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are you going to grow a dinky little moustache, then?

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2007, 04:18:31 AM »
It's an issue of the WC.
Most sites really are tyrannies.
We have been trying to run
ourselves. Most members who
wanted to join the body, didn't
have the stomach to face what is
involved in democracy.

:bssign:

Actually, most of realised that the site shouldn't have to be about running the site alone because it's no fun.

We've had very, very few rules in the past, so at one point, a few months ago, we (in this case, the ruling axis of evil) wanted to try direct democracy by introducing a world council for the everyday decision-making process. We compared the function to a town hall meeting, an inclusive setting where everyone even remotely interested in the site could have their say.

What happened instead was a mess where everything was put to vote, all the time. The town hall meetings needed to be more exclusive, impeachment procedures had to be created, Intensity supposedly required a constitution, polls were started out of spite, etc, etc, etc.

And of course, every poll was followed by endless discussions spreading all over the board, people were attacked, accusations were made, and if anyone pointed out that the whole thing was becoming boring or tedious or whatever, that, of course, was an attack on democracy itself.

And eventually Dunc, the Jolly Despot, started a vote to end the mess. *I* think it's to get some of the fun back. And to me it looks like the membership agrees.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2007, 05:32:17 AM »
well said.   :plus:

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2007, 06:06:04 AM »
Actually, most of realised that the site shouldn't have to be about running the site alone because it's no fun.

TO most, perhaps. Some were enjoying.
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What happened instead was a mess where everything was put to vote, all the time.

Because we didn't bother trying to get things right,
at the start. As I tried to push for.

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The town hall meetings needed to be more exclusive,

Don't know why this happened. Certainly not my doing.

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impeachment procedures had to be created,


In order to PROTECT people from unreasonable impeachment,
as was attempted, and would have succeeded.
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Intensity supposedly required a constitution,

Everything has one. Even a despotic government.

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polls were started out of spite, etc, etc, etc.

A method of underlining what was going wrong.

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And of course, every poll was followed by endless discussions spreading all over the board, people were attacked, accusations were made, and if anyone pointed out that the whole thing was becoming boring or tedious or whatever, that, of course, was an attack on democracy itself.

Look, I agree that the ramifications weren't at all
good for the site. We lost several members (though
not ones that most of y'all miss) due to being stymied
in the WC. Still, those without the strength to handle
democracy shouldn't try.


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And eventually Dunc, the Jolly Despot, started a vote to end the mess. *I* think it's to get some of the fun back. And to me it looks like the membership agrees.

Just as the 3rd Reich was started.
Paying attention is just too tough for
those without the resilience to handle
democracy.

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2007, 06:39:25 AM »
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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2007, 08:08:28 AM »
I saw this today and could help but think of you cal
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2007, 08:23:47 AM »


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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2007, 12:50:05 PM »
:LMAO:

Seriously, though, Cal, you may have enjoyed it but the fact appears to be that most members didn't. It isn't about democracy, it's about having fun. It really is just a message board.
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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2007, 05:41:15 PM »

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2007, 05:46:36 PM »
I don't see your point but I'm assuming you have one.
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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2007, 06:11:41 PM »
:LMAO:

Seriously, though, Cal, you may have enjoyed it but the fact appears to be that most members didn't. It isn't about democracy, it's about having fun. It really is just a message board.

I know. I just wish that those who didn't enjoy
could have let those who did continue to have
fun. Funny thing is, it's got nothing to do with
power. And no harm came out of it, except for
the fiat rule, which I don't think would have had
a chance in hell of passing, if the malcontents hadn't
voted for it. Pretty much the same people who are
for destroying the WC again.

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Re: The fall of the Weimer republic
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2007, 08:02:17 PM »
I don't see your point but I'm assuming you have one.

My clip was of Dildano, the leader of the revolutionaries devoted to the overthrow of The Great Tyrant in the movie Barbarella.  It wouldn't make much sense to those who'd never seen the movie, but I hoped that a few might have.