from McJagger, later on in the discussion,I admit defeat and concede this debate.
i have been shown the error of my reasoning; i was arguing from a position of what was reasonable when i was last in the market (12 years ago).
Guys, i suggest that you NEVER take my advice for bedding a woman. clearly, i do not know the current rules of the dating game or the change i societals mores, regarding the subject of sex.
when a woman says NO, then that it is, end of discussion nothing more to say on the subject.
In light of me relevations, i would also like to state that i believe that society should also teach women that it is ok to have sex, and teach everybody to play responsibly. the times are changing and currently the issue of sex is moving into a different direction. the rules are becoming more defined, yet the whole picture and the views that people have on sex is still stuck in a time past.
women need to learn that sex is not a tool to use for manipulation, and that they don't need to remain pure, sex is ok, just so long as resposible sex is always considered.
I would like to finally state that i find it ironic that the old free loving hippies (who are now running society) are the ones defining sex and making it so very complicated. wasn't the idea that sexual freedom is a good thing. Fucking baby boomers, consuming mother fuckers. they used up everything, enjoyed their time and are now limiting their offspring and offsprings children.
can you see how a man acts when he is wrong?
he admits it.
