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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3360 on: September 24, 2006, 05:18:53 PM »
Quote from: odeon on September 24, 2006, 05:17:26 PM



Racism is wrong, McJ. The racist is allowed his voice, but I won't suffer it silently.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that you couldn't answer back- rather that if we have true free speech we have to accept their right to post racist stuff too unfortunately.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3361 on: September 24, 2006, 05:20:00 PM »
can you please explain what you think an ideology is?

facism in pre WW11 germany was an ideology, was it not.

and this thread continues, i never made reference to any individuals.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3362 on: September 24, 2006, 05:37:07 PM »
Quote from: McJagger on September 24, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
can you please explain what you think an ideology is?

facism in pre WW11 germany was an ideology, was it not.

and this thread continues, i never made reference to any individuals.

Compare these to definitions:

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racism
     n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
          superior to members of other races
     2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
        another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]

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Ideology \I`de*ol"o*gy\, n. [Ideo- + -logy: cf. F.
   id['e]ologie.]
   1. The science of ideas. --Stewart.
      [1913 Webster]

   2. (Metaph.) A theory of the origin of ideas which derives
      them exclusively from sensation.
      [1913 Webster]

   Note: By a double blunder in philosophy and Greek,
         id['e]ologie . . . has in France become the name
         peculiarly distinctive of that philosophy of mind which
         exclusively derives our knowledge from sensation. --Sir
         W. Hamilton.

   3. A set or system of theories and beliefs held by an
      individual or group, especially about sociopolitical goals
      and methods to attain them; in common usage, ideology is
      such a set of beliefs so strongly held by their adherents
      as to cause them to ignore evidence against such beliefs,
      and thus fall into error -- in this sense it is viewed as
      a negative trait; contrasted to pragmatism, and distinct
      from idealism.
      [PJC]

In other words, yes, while you can argue for facism, nazism, etc, being ideologies with racist ideas thrown in, there's nothing ideological--or systematic--in Richard's opinions so far. There's just bigotry.

Now, I'm not saying that he or anyone else with abhorrent views about one thing or another should be silenced. Not at all. I'm saying is that they should expect to be called on their views. Racism isn't part of a game at Intensity, it isn't added for entertainment value. It's a dangerous reality, and it's hurting people, in real life.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3363 on: September 24, 2006, 05:40:32 PM »
3. A set or system of theories and beliefs held by an
      individual or group, especially about sociopolitical goals
      and methods to attain them; in common usage, ideology is
      such a set of beliefs so strongly held by their adherents
      as to cause them to ignore evidence against such beliefs,
      and thus fall into error -- in this sense it is viewed as
      a negative trait; contrasted to pragmatism, and distinct
      from idealism.


a system of belifs that your race is superior than any other is an ideology, and i do believe he has demonstrated that is his set of beliefs.

i am not arguing the dangers of racism, homophobia, etc, i am merly arguing the symantics of wheteher or not his views are in fact an ideology.  which i think they are, to him.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3364 on: September 24, 2006, 07:51:15 PM »
I thinking what to watch next.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3365 on: September 24, 2006, 07:55:41 PM »
try Fight Club.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3366 on: September 24, 2006, 09:47:35 PM »
The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about Fight Club...sorry, I can't help myself...
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3367 on: September 25, 2006, 12:48:16 AM »
Quote from: McJagger on September 24, 2006, 05:40:32 PM
a system of belifs that your race is superior than any other is an ideology, and i do believe he has demonstrated that is his set of beliefs.

There's nothing systematic about it, IMO. Random ignorance is all I see.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3368 on: September 25, 2006, 12:50:29 AM »
Quote from: purposefulinsanity on September 24, 2006, 05:01:25 PM
She has a funny shaped arse

That's the first thing I saw as well.  It does look funny.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3369 on: September 25, 2006, 12:56:29 AM »
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3370 on: September 25, 2006, 12:58:34 AM »
i agre with odeon - richard hasn't presented any cogent arguments - or even intimations of same - to suggest he's following any particular ideology.  he's simply made racist statements or comments.  i think it's different when people do this, in one way, cos there's no debate, and therefore no way of either side being able to argue the toss.  there's nothing to get hold of and argue, in other words.  people have asked richard why he's said stuff, and there's only a load of garbled nonsense coming back.

i also agree with PI and callaway - but then, didn't she have a funny shaped mind, as well?  perhaps it's related.  ;)
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3371 on: September 25, 2006, 01:01:31 AM »
Quote from: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 12:58:34 AM
i agre with odeon

I'm glad you agre with me. :D
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3372 on: September 25, 2006, 01:02:37 AM »
Quote from: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 12:58:34 AM
i also agree with PI and callaway - but then, didn't she have a funny shaped mind, as well?  perhaps it's related.  ;)

She has a business-shaped mind, imo.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3373 on: September 25, 2006, 01:04:05 AM »
well, "agre" is along the same lines as "orge", entymologically, you know.  :P

Quote from: odeon on September 25, 2006, 01:02:37 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 12:58:34 AM
i also agree with PI and callaway - but then, didn't she have a funny shaped mind, as well?  perhaps it's related.  ;)

She has a business-shaped mind, imo.

that's what i said, isn't it?  :P :P
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #3374 on: September 25, 2006, 01:05:23 AM »
Quote from: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 01:04:05 AM
well, "agre" is along the same lines as "orge", entymologically, you know.  :P

I agre. :laugh:
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