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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7440 on: April 03, 2007, 08:20:48 AM »
why do foreigners, even europeans, look so odd?

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7441 on: April 03, 2007, 08:41:40 AM »
... Have you ever used a tube/valve version of an analog compressor/limiter and if so are you attempting to emulate that type of tonality, in your brickwall? There are still a few of us dinosaurs, who have not succumbed to the digital meteor in our expectations of quality audio. Is this plugin going to keep me listening full-on or make me go into another half-  or quarter-listening phase, where I am so disheartened with the direction of audio, that when I give it a full-on listen, that I give up the fight, again?
Nope; in fact, I have yet to use any other kind of analog one either.

Though there are some relatively good emulations of aspects of tube equipment and other kinds of analog distortions, anything more than a half-arsed effort at such is quite a complex thing and at the time both beyond (I'm still a newbie at DSP, comparatively speaking) and uninteresting to me. I try to make something original based on my own ideas instead.

My limiter, though a brickwall one, is more of a sound-shaping tool than a loudness maximizer, though it can now squeeze things pretty efficiently as well. It is hardly very transparent, unlike most (rather unmusical) ones made with maximum level crunch in mind are, and sounds a little bit warm and fuzzy in its own way due to the relatively mild distortion it adds. On higher softness levels, it can actually make a throughoutly loudness-maximized signal quieter (even following 36dB of input gain), the main limiting stage (which leaves some overshoot for the following saturator and then final stage) using intentionally somewhat oversensitive RMS-detection resulting in a pumpy sound and emphasized, snappy transients. No idea how you'd like it.

So - I understand that compression must be used to maximize the available bandwidth and dynamic range of digital media, but are you planning on an "UNDO" plugin, to expand the dynamic range of the music back to a more realistic character during playback? Putting back what has been taken away is tricky.
Compression (or harsh limiting following it, nowdays. or mayhaps I should say clipping, as that's the new trend for maximum loudness) is hardly technically needed to anywhere near the extent to which it is used, but the loudness war dictate that professional recordings have to be as loud as possible to stand out in comparison to others played. As for "undoing", softer compression can be followed by expanding, the reverse process, but ruthless, distorting squashing means permanent damage. Garbage in, garbage out. You can take out some of the garbage, but only at the cost of something else. Once something is broken, something will always stay broken.

Though for more specific situations there are ways of improving the signal with a much better trade-off. I haven't had much interest in the different kinds of restoration filtering yet, though, and don't know much of the details as of yet either.

I remain open-minded and fascinated.

What I really want, though, is a digital replacement for my analog electroninc frequency dividing network. (Should be a piece of cake for you.) I know some versions exist, but they are only slightly beyond trinkets, unless you are prepared to spend real bucks. I have often thought that most of the problems associated with analog L/C filters, such as phase shift varying with frequency, could be minimized or eliminated, completely, within the digital realm. Also, most of the post D/A conversin, line-level effects, such as time delays for correcting low frequency time-response errors related to room acoustics, would no longer be necessary. Everything could be accomplished, before the conversion to analog.

I'm not against digi-anything, but I wish the resolution could improve, too. BTW, it's the loudness war that has left me not wanting to listen to much modern music, far more than the music, itself.
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7442 on: April 03, 2007, 10:26:46 AM »
I just noticed that I can karma-lize without a delay. I hit Tig, Callaway, McJ and Peter in about a minute. I must have a magic wand.
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Ghandi: Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.

The end result of life's daily pain and suffering, trials and failures, tears and laughter, readings and listenings is an accumulation of wisdom in its purest form.

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7443 on: April 03, 2007, 11:02:16 AM »
Thinking about that I am going to have to monitor myself, since I get depressed and irritable or peevish during prolonged cloudy, grey, dank, cold weather.  Day 2 so far. :eyebrow:

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7444 on: April 03, 2007, 11:24:31 AM »
Flo... HARD  at work...  ;D

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7445 on: April 03, 2007, 11:30:48 AM »
Flo... HARD  at work...  ;D
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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7446 on: April 03, 2007, 11:33:16 AM »
Thinking about that I am going to have to monitor myself, since I get depressed and irritable or peevish during prolonged cloudy, grey, dank, cold weather.  Day 2 so far. :eyebrow:

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7447 on: April 03, 2007, 11:38:13 AM »
Someday, I hope to visit the UK and see Scotland.  But, I'v heard about the weather.  I'd make sure I'd have my ritalin, melatonin and other dietary supplement for mood. ;)  Either that or the sampling of the finest Scottish Whiskeys may be enough to keep me in my happy place! :green:

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7448 on: April 03, 2007, 11:44:50 AM »
It's only really the west coast that's the problem; the east coast is a lot drier and sunnier, though the driest place in Scotland is actually the outer Hebrides, which is off the west coast.  Glasgow's particularly bad for having day after day of thick cloud cover, so that the sky can be a depressing blanket of grey for weeks on end.  We're having a rare sunny spell at the moment, so I've been doing some things in the garden and replenishing my vitamin D stocks a bit.
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14:10 - Moarskrillex42: She said something about knowing why I wanted to move to Glasgow when she came in. She plopped down on my bed and told me to go ahead and open it for her.

14:11 - Peter5930: So, she thought I was your lover and that I was sending you a box full of sex toys, and that you wanted to move to Glasgow to be with me?

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7449 on: April 03, 2007, 03:11:55 PM »
I remain open-minded and fascinated.

What I really want, though, is a digital replacement for my analog electroninc frequency dividing network. (Should be a piece of cake for you.) I know some versions exist, but they are only slightly beyond trinkets, unless you are prepared to spend real bucks. I have often thought that most of the problems associated with analog L/C filters, such as phase shift varying with frequency, could be minimized or eliminated, completely, within the digital realm. Also, most of the post D/A conversin, line-level effects, such as time delays for correcting low frequency time-response errors related to room acoustics, would no longer be necessary. Everything could be accomplished, before the conversion to analog.

I'm not against digi-anything, but I wish the resolution could improve, too. BTW, it's the loudness war that has left me not wanting to listen to much modern music, far more than the music, itself.
I haven't put together anything complicated when it comes to frequency filtering yet, though I have the components, so to say. There are two main categories of digital filters; FIR and IIR. The latter (Infinite Impulse Response) are recursive and modeled after or similarly to their analog counterparts, and behave similarly. They naturally have their phase shifts. Finite Impulse Response filters convolve a filter kernel with the signal, and are - except for simple averagers - slower by an order of magnitude. (one multiplication and addition per sample for each point in the filter kernel - though frequency-domain filtering using FFT/IFFT can also be done, which pays off for larger kernels) They can be made to have virtually any frequency and phase response as long as there is enough processing power, and are typically used for linear phase processing. (done by using a symmetrical filter kernel) You could easily put something together by combining such high and lowpass filters.

I still have no practical experience of such, though. Dynamics processing and distortion have been my main focus thus far, in the two years since I made my first gain control. Though I have pipe-dreams about constructing awesome multiband filters, so eventually I'll probably begin working on making well-sounding crossover filters. Though they'll probably be made for minimum delay and be slightly colorful.

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7450 on: April 03, 2007, 04:28:43 PM »
Thinkin' that I need sleep, but too much caffeine.

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7451 on: April 03, 2007, 04:36:22 PM »
Fortunately.......nothing

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7452 on: April 03, 2007, 04:37:24 PM »
Fortunately.......nothing

That was always my wife's response. Never could understand it. My brain just whirs and spins.

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7453 on: April 03, 2007, 06:29:43 PM »
Not a lot actually... that I should wash my plate up and put it away, that my ass is sore from this hard seat and that this music I just downloaded is disappointing

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Re: Post what you're thinking right now.
« Reply #7454 on: April 03, 2007, 08:24:45 PM »
... about how cool it is, that we have two WP mods here as members and everyone is civil, for now.
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