I do reverse crunches very slowly, and I do aerobic exercise that envoles doing some situps, standing up, quickly. I kept at it, and here I am with great abs. My diet sucked back then when I got my abs, but now its fine. I guess I am privaleged to a degree. My poor mom struggles hiding a gut created partly by her serroquil, and diarreha created by her lithium carbonate med. I herd her say it was making her see things, but back on topic. I wished I saw this thread sooner, because its 2:23am here and I am going to bed. Its Jan28 2007, sorry I was so late, I was trapped in some of my own emotions. I have had my daily orgasim, so now I will go to bed. Just ask and you shall recieve. Why didn't you pm me?