Violence is it learned behavior or an instinct in humans?

[Peter]

The questions did seem kind of stupid to a degree in my psych book from the 1980's.

Thought it would be intresting.  Animals are so instintive that they will attack another animal larger than them if given appropiate stimulus, I thought that was intresting.

This is quite possibly the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say.

I consider these things we wanking like a sex-starved chimp and all and it fairy putting me over the edge.  I feel like I had dope, It makes brain starts working overtime with the nuerotransmitters and shit.  I could hug a stranger, but I resist.  I could hug annoying mom, and I don't resist.

This spoils it a bit though.

[mordok]

So is firearm abuse only self administered?

What about child abuse?

Just because the phrase "drug abuse" replies to a particular methodology does not mean linguistically that all forms of "something/X abuse" will also work in the same way.  English is an odd language, and far from consistent, get over it.

By the way, I would be interested to see an actual, legitimate usage of "firearm abuse".  Otherwise I have to think that maybe your just trolling a bit.  Why not ask about bulldozer abuse and lawn abuse as well?

[Calandale]

What about child abuse?

In some cases, yes, it can be self-administered.  From the 'only in America or some scary Islamic countries' news room:

Teen girl charged with posting nude photos on Internet
PITTSBURGH (AP) — A 15-year-old girl has been arrested for taking nude photographs of her self and posting them on the Internet, police said.

The girl, whose identity was withheld, was accused of sending out photographs of herself in various states of undress and performing a variety of P.I.ual acts. She sent them to people she met in chat rooms on the Internet, police said.

Police seized her computer and found dozens of photographs stored on the hard drive. Authorities did not say how police learned about the girl.

She has been charged with P.I.ual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography.

That is awesome.

[Calandale]

So is firearm abuse only self administered?

What about child abuse?

Just because the phrase "drug abuse" replies to a particular methodology does not mean linguistically that all forms of "something/X abuse" will also work in the same way.  English is an odd language, and far from consistent, get over it.

By the way, I would be interested to see an actual, legitimate usage of "firearm abuse".  Otherwise I have to think that maybe your just trolling a bit.  Why not ask about bulldozer abuse and lawn abuse as well?

All that I'm trying to point out is that
you're taking ONE possible meaning of
the term. I think that mine is equally
valid.

[mordok]

So is firearm abuse only self administered?

What about child abuse?

Just because the phrase "drug abuse" replies to a particular methodology does not mean linguistically that all forms of "something/X abuse" will also work in the same way.  English is an odd language, and far from consistent, get over it.

By the way, I would be interested to see an actual, legitimate usage of "firearm abuse".  Otherwise I have to think that maybe your just trolling a bit.  Why not ask about bulldozer abuse and lawn abuse as well?

All that I'm trying to point out is that
you're taking ONE possible meaning of
the term. I think that mine is equally
valid.

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

[Scrapheap]

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

Calandale is going to drive you nucking futts then!! 

[mordok]

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

Calandale is going to drive you nucking futts then!! 

Cool.  I've always wanted a nemesis.   

[Calandale]

So is firearm abuse only self administered?

What about child abuse?

Just because the phrase "drug abuse" replies to a particular methodology does not mean linguistically that all forms of "something/X abuse" will also work in the same way.  English is an odd language, and far from consistent, get over it.

By the way, I would be interested to see an actual, legitimate usage of "firearm abuse".  Otherwise I have to think that maybe your just trolling a bit.  Why not ask about bulldozer abuse and lawn abuse as well?

All that I'm trying to point out is that
you're taking ONE possible meaning of
the term. I think that mine is equally
valid.

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

So, since you've given no definitive reason for
me to accept YOUR definition, why don't you
qualify it, if you expect me to qualify mine?

[Calandale]

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

Calandale is going to drive you nucking futts then!! 

Depends on how you define 'nuts'

[mordok]

So is firearm abuse only self administered?

What about child abuse?

Just because the phrase "drug abuse" replies to a particular methodology does not mean linguistically that all forms of "something/X abuse" will also work in the same way.  English is an odd language, and far from consistent, get over it.

By the way, I would be interested to see an actual, legitimate usage of "firearm abuse".  Otherwise I have to think that maybe your just trolling a bit.  Why not ask about bulldozer abuse and lawn abuse as well?

All that I'm trying to point out is that
you're taking ONE possible meaning of
the term. I think that mine is equally
valid.

You are arguing against the common excepted usage of the phrase.  If you say "mine is equally valid to me., then that's fine.  Although, you are likely to encounter confusion from others just like you have here.

Yes, I know I'm being obsessive about this.  Language and it's usage is just a particular quirk/issue of mine.

So, since you've given no definitive reason for
me to accept YOUR definition, why don't you
qualify it, if you expect me to qualify mine?

Fair enough.

"Drug abuse is the use of illicit drugs, or the abuse of prescription or over-the-counter drugs. The abuse of legitimate drugs (prescription or over-the-counter) can happen when people use the drugs in a manner or in quantities other than directed, or for purposes that are not legitimate."

From the National Institute of Health: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001945.htm

I realize that the usage of the term 'use' in that definition is vague.  However, after looking through that link it becomes clear that it is implied that the abuser is the person who is using the drugs, i.e. taking them.

[Calandale]

Of course that's the implication, as MOST cases
of drug abuse are indeed self inflicted, but I contend
that my interpretation, which includes misusing drugs
ON OTHERS is equally valid.

[mordok]

Of course that's the implication, as MOST cases
of drug abuse are indeed self inflicted, but I contend
that my interpretation, which includes misusing drugs
ON OTHERS is equally valid.

I know that is your contention.  That's been the whole point of this discussion.  You have stated your contention, I questioned it, you asked me to back my side up before you would back up yours.  I have now done so.  Will you?

[Calandale]

GHB, Ketamine, and Rohypnol
GHB and Rohypnol are predominantly central nervous system depressants. Because they are often colorless, tasteless, and odorless, they can be added to beverages and ingested unknowingly.

These drugs emerged several years ago as "date rape" drugs.***** Because of concern about their abuse, Congress passed the "Drug-Induced Rape Prevention and Punishment Act of 1996" in October 1996. This legislation increased Federal penalties for use of any controlled substance to aid in sexual assault.

From http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/clubdrugs.html

[mordok]

Fair enough.  I yield to you, good sir.   

[Randy]

I have alot of intellegent things, its just that telling jokes is more fun!  Jokes are just imagination, where as intellegence is a little more.  I was thinking again today, who ever thought such a questions is fuckn stupid.
Again, it seems like a scientist wanted to controll something so badly that infulenced there own thoughts in to one or the other. Both seems most likely, and perhaps I put this thread up to look at the stupidity of intensity members.  Multi determined.  Franz Gail is also a fuck face, even looks like a looser, phenology is too simple to explain such a complex orgasim.  There is t hat chance though, but again,  IDIOTS!