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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1650 on: December 27, 2010, 02:08:49 AM »
Yup, it went over my head too.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1651 on: December 27, 2010, 11:31:37 AM »
I'm afraid that on hypothetical grounds, the answer will have to be hypothetical and most likely without any real relevance. But anyway... If someone's life depended on my breaking the trust (in other words, if I could save that life), I would probably do it. Abuse, yes, likewise, but it would depend on a lot of things.

Keeping one's word is important, it's not something to be taken lightly.

But what you are really asking is what, exactly, did I hear from a member and under what circumstances might I break that confidence, aren't you?

It does have real relevance to me. I'm not asking about a particular example. I'm trying to get to know you.

As things stand I can't trust you. I want to understand enough to change that.

There is very little going on here where the concerns of a single member would make any difference to the rest of the membership, Pyraxis. It's just a message board. I'm not touching that.

Not touching what? The idea that the concerns of a single member here would make any difference to the rest of the membership? Or the particular example you had in mind?
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1652 on: December 27, 2010, 05:42:33 PM »
I was trying to say that it's just a message board. It should never be more important than real life, but I sometimes get the feeling that you treat it rather more seriously than that, and that's where I don't want to go. That is what I don't want to touch.

As for trusting me, why should you? Do you need to? I don't trust or distrust you, but I do find your posts entertaining and worthy of thought. Isn't that why we are here?
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1653 on: December 30, 2010, 03:13:36 PM »
I am having trouble with my theme. I currently use the theme "Pn-Pn (for 1.1 RC3)", and I cannot get the shoutbox to appear at the top of my home page. Is there a setting that I need to change, or does this theme simply not include the shoutbox? Changing the theme back to the board default or to Black Rain results in the shoutbox returning, which is why I believe that the problem is theme-specific.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1654 on: December 30, 2010, 03:20:36 PM »
I am having trouble with my theme. I currently use the theme "Pn-Pn (for 1.1 RC3)", and I cannot get the shoutbox to appear at the top of my home page. Is there a setting that I need to change, or does this theme simply not include the shoutbox? Changing the theme back to the board default or to Black Rain results in the shoutbox returning, which is why I believe that the problem is theme-specific.

I'm not Odeon, but I think that there were some themes that nobody was using and so the Shoutbox wasn't made to work on those themes.

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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1655 on: December 30, 2010, 06:25:30 PM »
I am having trouble with my theme. I currently use the theme "Pn-Pn (for 1.1 RC3)", and I cannot get the shoutbox to appear at the top of my home page. Is there a setting that I need to change, or does this theme simply not include the shoutbox? Changing the theme back to the board default or to Black Rain results in the shoutbox returning, which is why I believe that the problem is theme-specific.

Yes, it's theme-specific. Pn-Pn doesn't support the shoutbox. The template was written for SMF 1.0X and it's too much bother to try to get the shoutbox to work with it. I had a look when I went looking for a better shoutbox but there was no easy way to add it.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1656 on: December 31, 2010, 09:59:31 AM »
I was trying to say that it's just a message board. It should never be more important than real life, but I sometimes get the feeling that you treat it rather more seriously than that, and that's where I don't want to go. That is what I don't want to touch.

As for trusting me, why should you? Do you need to? I don't trust or distrust you, but I do find your posts entertaining and worthy of thought. Isn't that why we are here?

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The irony is that some degree of trust is required when you have a bunch of really stubborn people. All the evidence in the world wasn't resolving this callout between Richard and Callaway. Neither Richard nor Callaway would drop it, even though the horse was ridiculously beyond dead. It was like an endurance game, who could hold onto blind stubbornness longer, or would it get blabberized or locked to stop the madness. And the thing that's missing in all that is trust, simple trust for somebody's word.

I get that it's only a message board to you. I do treat it more seriously than that because I don't see much difference between online life and offline life. It's people on the other end, regardless of whether you can see or hear them. I wouldn't say that a blind and deaf person had less of a life than a sighted and hearing person, because they communicated only through text, and in the same way I won't say that someone in front of their computer has less of a life than someone sitting in a group of friends. (I acknowledge there's as much stupid drama offline as online, it just presents differently, so I don't mean that all stupid drama is of life-threatening import.)

At any rate, trust. I would like to trust you on some level because it would allow me to continue having interesting arguments without it having to devolve to inane tactics like spamming or blabberizing or blatantly disregarding evidence. As the system is currently set up, those things are the inevitable results of arguments where people won't back down. But if there could be some kind of fundamental trust between comrades... not sure what word to use here, since clearly not everyone is friends, but you don't need to be friends with someone to treat them with respect... if it could be acknowledged that a degree of trust is necessary to have a functional community where everyone has the right to say what they want, then I think it would benefit this place as a whole.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1657 on: December 31, 2010, 12:21:18 PM »
I am having trouble with my theme. I currently use the theme "Pn-Pn (for 1.1 RC3)", and I cannot get the shoutbox to appear at the top of my home page. Is there a setting that I need to change, or does this theme simply not include the shoutbox? Changing the theme back to the board default or to Black Rain results in the shoutbox returning, which is why I believe that the problem is theme-specific.

Yes, it's theme-specific. Pn-Pn doesn't support the shoutbox. The template was written for SMF 1.0X and it's too much bother to try to get the shoutbox to work with it. I had a look when I went looking for a better shoutbox but there was no easy way to add it.

Thank you anyways. I will probably stay with Pn-Pn for now. There's more than enough mindless drivel on I2 to occupy me without the presence of the shoutbox. :)
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1658 on: December 31, 2010, 01:56:39 PM »
I'm afraid that on hypothetical grounds, the answer will have to be hypothetical and most likely without any real relevance. But anyway... If someone's life depended on my breaking the trust (in other words, if I could save that life), I would probably do it. Abuse, yes, likewise, but it would depend on a lot of things.

Keeping one's word is important, it's not something to be taken lightly.

But what you are really asking is what, exactly, did I hear from a member and under what circumstances might I break that confidence, aren't you?

It does have real relevance to me. I'm not asking about a particular example. I'm trying to get to know you.

As things stand I can't trust you. I want to understand enough to change that.

There is very little going on here where the concerns of a single member would make any difference to the rest of the membership, Pyraxis. It's just a message board. I'm not touching that.

Not touching what? The idea that the concerns of a single member here would make any difference to the rest of the membership? Or the particular example you had in mind?

I think your lack of ability to trust Odeon says more about you than it says about him, Pyraxis.

I trust Odeon completely and I believe that you are just not a trusting sort of person. 

Neither is Richard.  He and I have been on friendly terms for years, but when he ignored himself, he immediately jumped to the completely unsubstantiated conclusion that I must have done it.  There's nothing that I can do for him to remedy the years of abuse that led him to be the person that he is.

Neither can Odeon wave a magic wand to make you a more trusting person, IMO.

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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1659 on: December 31, 2010, 03:09:24 PM »
That's pretty condescending, Callaway. You've been working side by side with Odeon for several years now, and you've had plenty of opportunity to see what he's like with his guard down, whereas I've only seen the public front he presents in the main body of the site.

I don't know where you got the idea that I'm looking for him to wave a magic wand. I was simply looking for a little direct conversation, because in all the time I've been here, I actually haven't spoken to him much directly.

it's true that I'm not a trusting person, however I have to start somewhere.

As for Richard, it's true that you can not change years of abuse. However you can recognize what's going on and try to stop from compounding the problem.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1660 on: December 31, 2010, 04:44:58 PM »
As for Richard, it's true that you can not change years of abuse. However you can recognize what's going on and try to stop from compounding the problem.
Sorry to butt in. Most of what you've said is a little confusing to me, but I think people here recognize what's going on with other members very well (not just talking about richard) and everyone reacts in their own individual way.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1661 on: December 31, 2010, 04:54:08 PM »
Sorry to butt in. Most of what you've said is a little confusing to me, but I think people here recognize what's going on with other members very well (not just talking abour richard) and everyone reacts in their own individual way.

Ok, cool. It's Callaway's way that I was objecting to. I think her approach is particularly ineffective in cases like the crap with Richard.
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1662 on: December 31, 2010, 04:57:18 PM »
The whole thing could be settled with paint. why there so insistant that, it wouldnt solve anything is a little suspicious

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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1663 on: December 31, 2010, 05:00:15 PM »
If someone fixed it with paint and posted it, you would really be ok with that and consider the whole thing resolved?
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Re: odeon's ask away-thread
« Reply #1664 on: December 31, 2010, 05:02:42 PM »
Yes. i've already said I would. for the entire day of november 30th. Hit it :thumbup: