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Tax Anology
« on: May 21, 2007, 09:51:49 AM »
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 Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all
ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:

 The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
 The fifth would pay $1.
 The sixth would pay $3.
 The seventh would pay $7.
 The eighth would pay $12.
 The ninth would pay $18.
 The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

 So, that's what they decided to do.


The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with
the arrangement, until on day, the owner threw them a curve. " Since you
are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of
your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

 The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.

 And so:

 The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
 The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
 The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
 The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
 The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
 The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

 Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began
to compare their savings.

 "I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

 "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a
dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

 "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back
when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the
bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

 And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how
our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
 start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

 David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
 Professor of Economics
 University of Georgia

 For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
 For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible
« Last Edit: May 21, 2007, 09:53:27 AM by Alexander the Grape »

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 09:57:31 AM »
And what were the respective income percentiles would each of these men be, I wonder?
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2007, 10:38:26 AM »
Neoliberal bollocks.  ::)

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 11:19:02 AM »
Neoliberal bollocks.  ::)

My comment, or ATG's post?  I'm geniunely not sure of the answer to my question above, though I suspect it might be relevant.
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 12:36:14 PM »
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 Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all
ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:

 The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
 The fifth would pay $1.
 The sixth would pay $3.
 The seventh would pay $7.
 The eighth would pay $12.
 The ninth would pay $18.
 The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

 So, that's what they decided to do.


The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with
the arrangement, until on day, the owner threw them a curve. " Since you
are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of
your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

 The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so
the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.

 And so:

 The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
 The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
 The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
 The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
 The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
 The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

 Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began
to compare their savings.

 "I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

 "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a
dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

 "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back
when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the
bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

 And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how
our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
 start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

 David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
 Professor of Economics
 University of Georgia

 For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
 For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

Interesting analogy, Alexander the Grape.

 :plus:

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2007, 01:51:08 PM »
Makes sense, but beating the tenth guy
is the flaw. That would be tantamount to
a revolution, which avoids the Atlas Shrugged
solution proposed.

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Re: Tax Anology
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2007, 02:38:54 PM »
Neoliberal bollocks.  ::)

My comment, or ATG's post?  I'm geniunely not sure of the answer to my question above, though I suspect it might be relevant.

The original post. Your question was entirely relevant.