autismspeaks has ruined starbucks

[SovaNu]

i don't want poop therapy.

[Peter]

You are making a good choice then. I'm afraid of having a baby by myself and having it dying because I failed to take good care of it or failed to give it enough food and I go to prison for it because the baby died. I'd rather have a partner when I have kids. I am also afraid of I'd drop it too. I have tendancy to drop stuff. I have even dropped my own handheld game systems and CD player.

I'm surprised how there are aspies out there who can't take care of themselves and the criteria says no delay in self help skills? 

If so many people are being diagnosed with AS despite their lack of self help skills, then maybe I really do have it and the criteria just messed up. The criterias are just made up by a group of doctors and I think not all doctors agree with what the criteria says about AS so they ignore it and go ahead and diagnose the person with it anyway rather they meet it or not.

The mother did nothing wrong. The baby was taken from her right after she had it.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_headline=autistic-mum--8217-s-baby-taken-into-care%26method=full%26objectid=19418874%26siteid=50082-name_page.html

That's shocking.

[Christopher McCandless]

You are making a good choice then. I'm afraid of having a baby by myself and having it dying because I failed to take good care of it or failed to give it enough food and I go to prison for it because the baby died. I'd rather have a partner when I have kids. I am also afraid of I'd drop it too. I have tendancy to drop stuff. I have even dropped my own handheld game systems and CD player.

I'm surprised how there are aspies out there who can't take care of themselves and the criteria says no delay in self help skills? 

If so many people are being diagnosed with AS despite their lack of self help skills, then maybe I really do have it and the criteria just messed up. The criterias are just made up by a group of doctors and I think not all doctors agree with what the criteria says about AS so they ignore it and go ahead and diagnose the person with it anyway rather they meet it or not.

The mother did nothing wrong. The baby was taken from her right after she had it.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_headline=autistic-mum--8217-s-baby-taken-into-care%26method=full%26objectid=19418874%26siteid=50082-name_page.html

That's shocking.

Whats even more shocking is that case could quite easily be the tip of the iceberg...

[DirtDawg]

i don't want poop therapy.

Nor did she want the other!

I+You

[Callaway]

You are making a good choice then. I'm afraid of having a baby by myself and having it dying because I failed to take good care of it or failed to give it enough food and I go to prison for it because the baby died. I'd rather have a partner when I have kids. I am also afraid of I'd drop it too. I have tendancy to drop stuff. I have even dropped my own handheld game systems and CD player.

I'm surprised how there are aspies out there who can't take care of themselves and the criteria says no delay in self help skills? 

If so many people are being diagnosed with AS despite their lack of self help skills, then maybe I really do have it and the criteria just messed up. The criterias are just made up by a group of doctors and I think not all doctors agree with what the criteria says about AS so they ignore it and go ahead and diagnose the person with it anyway rather they meet it or not.

The mother did nothing wrong. The baby was taken from her right after she had it.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_headline=autistic-mum--8217-s-baby-taken-into-care%26method=full%26objectid=19418874%26siteid=50082-name_page.html

That's shocking.

That is horrible.  We have very active social services people in our area of the country and quite frankly they terrify me. 

I know that my husband and I are very good parents, but I would hate having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees trying to prove it so we could get our daughter back if they ever snatched her.  And who do they think they could put her with if they snatched her?  It certainly wouldn't be with people like us, who have the best chance of understanding her.  She would never be the same again if something like that ever happened.

Purposeful Insanity, you didn't know of Debbie Storey?  This happened a few years ago.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1312918,00.html

Here's an excerpt:

Parents have been contacting charities such as the National Autism Society, which is helping a mother accused of Munchausen's By Proxy, a controversial diagnosis where mothers are accused of deliberately harming their own children. 'This is despite the fact that the child had been diagnosed with Asperger's and the very existence of Munchausen's is being questioned,' said a lawyer involved with the case.

Education Minister Lord Filkin told BBC Radio 5 Live that his department would urgently investigate the allegations.

At her home in Essex, former insurance clerk Debbie Storey is still trying to make sense of the traumatic events of the past few months when she and her husband, Michael, came desperately close to having both their children taken into care.

As is common with Asperger's children, they removed their sons, Ben, 15, and Sam, 10, from school after they fell prey to severe bullying. 'Ben once came home with a huge bruise after someone hit him and he had his tuck-box rammed into his face,' says Debbie. 'It got so bad he self-harmed and took a big chunk out of his own flesh.' She now teaches both boys at home, which she says caused increasing tension, first with the Essex education authority and then social services.

Debbie says that her constant battles to get provisions to which they were legally entitled led events to take a more sinister turn. Last year a confidential report prepared for the council accused Debbie and her husband of psychologically abusing their children. The report concluded that: 'Mr and Mrs Storey are consciously or unconsciously using their children to meet their own needs. They appear to lack an appropriate awareness and consideration of the children's needs and this in our view has and continues to negatively affect both Ben and Sam.' Debbie believes this was a veiled hint that they suffered from Munchausen's.

This summer Ben had to give evidence before a child protection panel, where he says he counted 22 people sitting around a table waiting to question him. His speech is clear and logical, peppered with the formal phraseology reminiscent of 1930s news broadcasts, which is typical of children with Asperger's.

'I only had five minutes to say why I didn't think I should be taken into care, which I don't think is very fair,' he said. Minutes later the chairman of the panel came out to see him with some shocking news. 'He said, "Right you're on the at risk register because your parents are abusing you emotionally and physically". At first I was numbed by that information, just the way that it was said, quick, sharp.

'The next words out of his mouth were, "It concerns me you are not into sport and fashion like normal children of your age". Then, after that gem, he said: "Oh, it's the decision of the panel that you've got to lose some weight". No offence to the panel, but half of them were overweight.'

The family's legal team challenged the decision and last week Debbie and Michael received a letter from Essex County Council to say their children were no longer being considered for care proceedings. A council spokesman said the authority never commented on individual cases.

Such incidents are becoming increasingly common, said Baron-Cohen. 'It risks turning the clock back 50 years to when parents of children with the related condition of autism were blamed for having caused their child's condition,' he said.

Social workers say they face a particularly sensitive task when trying to assess children who may have special needs. 'Just because a child has Asperger's doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a problem with parenting,' said John Coughlan of the Association of Directors of Social Services. 'Some studies have shown the children who suffer from disabilities are at potentially greater risk of abuse, so we always have to look carefully at every case.'

[garmonbozia]

The way I see it, among all the coffee companies somebody was going to get to be the big evil corporation that dominates all the others.  That's just the way economics works.  In a way I'm glad it was Starbucks, because of the way they do things like be careful where they get the coffee from and also give away used coffee grounds for free for people to use in their gardens.

That said, I was VERY disappointed to hear that Starbuck's has chosen to support Al Cureda in this manner.  For the time being, my coffee will be coming either from the nearest gas station, or the cheap dirty coffee maker in my office, or the one in my kitchen, but NOT from Starbuck's until they stop this shit.

I read this whole thread before posting, and am very disgusted with the type of meddling that's going on.  What exactly do y'all mean by "in the system" anyway?

I assume this kid-snatching thing is just in Europe?  Because, here in the US I've always heard there's a surplus of foster kids.  I've heard 90% of the foster homes here are hellholes.  (That bit of info coming from my two adopted sisters, who've told me a few horror stories.)  Hope they're better in Europe.

[DirtDawg]

The phrase "in the system" usually refers to the state taking over someone's life, whether it means prison, asylum or foster homes. In a child's interest the state can take custody of the child away from the parents and assign it to an institution or a foster home.
Once the state takes custody of someone they are considered to be "in the system".

[SovaNu]

i thought US social services situation was worse than europe's.