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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #75 on: July 15, 2007, 05:49:11 AM »
Quote from: Pyraxis on July 14, 2007, 11:54:47 PM
I have no problem with you being considerate, but for you to propose that your level on consideration ought to be administrative policy is presumptious.

Agreed. +

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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #76 on: July 15, 2007, 10:53:02 AM »
Again: what's legal for our host is OK here, by definition. Taking a stand beyond that (that is, beyond what's defined by the law) is something we probably can't agree on, but also something that is ONLY possible if we have moderators.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #77 on: July 15, 2007, 06:39:13 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 15, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
Again: what's legal for our host is OK here, by definition. Taking a stand beyond that (that is, beyond what's defined by the law) is something we probably can't agree on, but also something that is ONLY possible if we have moderators.

I don't see why we would need moderators to ever reach an agreement on a particular video clip. I agree with Milla that many of these films are nothing more than snuff flicks. If snuff flicks aren't legal here, then what is the difference between a snuff flick and a flick where someone is beaten near to death since that would be attempted murder??
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2007, 06:52:11 PM »
Quote from: Catkiller on July 15, 2007, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 15, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
Again: what's legal for our host is OK here, by definition. Taking a stand beyond that (that is, beyond what's defined by the law) is something we probably can't agree on, but also something that is ONLY possible if we have moderators.

I don't see why we would need moderators to ever reach an agreement on a particular video clip. I agree with Milla that many of these films are nothing more than snuff flicks. If snuff flicks aren't legal here, then what is the difference between a snuff flick and a flick where someone is beaten near to death since that would be attempted murder??

The question wasn't about a particular video, it was about taking a stand against a whole type of content, one that's stricter than any that's required by hour host. It's a slippery slope, and one that we probably couldn't agree on.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2007, 08:17:01 PM »
I agree that this is a slippery slope.  I'd vote only to delete child porn unquestionably, and have the WC decide on others on a case-by-case basis. 
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2007, 08:30:24 PM »
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #81 on: July 15, 2007, 08:46:05 PM »
Quote from: Janicka on July 15, 2007, 08:17:01 PM
I agree that this is a slippery slope.  I'd vote only to delete child porn unquestionably, and have the WC decide on others on a case-by-case basis. 

I don't know the law in the issue,
but anything that seems over the
legal line, child porn or otherwise,
should probably be deleted ASAP,
without recourse to the WC.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #82 on: July 15, 2007, 08:48:30 PM »
Peter made an interesting point - it is illegal to posess child porn.  Is it illegal to posess images of other illegal acts?  This is a question I'd like to have answered before I vote. 
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2007, 04:58:22 AM »
a couple of people thought it would be funny to post some anime of baby fuck.

they were flamed ruthlewssly over it, and they stopped of their own free will.  we never had to delete.  the community stepped in and policed themselves.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2007, 05:22:17 AM »
it's not footage of an illegal act that should be illegal so much as footage where someone is being exploited against their will. be it children or adults, noone should be filmed and that film posted online without their consent.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2007, 05:23:06 AM »
at the very least not when they are being beaten up or something.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2007, 05:25:41 AM »
Quote from: Björk on July 16, 2007, 05:22:17 AM
it's not footage of an illegal act that should be illegal so much as footage where someone is being exploited against their will. be it children or adults, noone should be filmed and that film posted online without their consent.
It is illegal in a way, the people who are the subject of such footage can take a civil case. What I assume you want is it to be criminal, and i would agree with you there.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2007, 05:31:21 AM »
same difference. it's clearly wrong.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2007, 05:34:26 AM »
Quote from: Björk on July 16, 2007, 05:31:21 AM
same difference. it's clearly wrong.
Well it is wrong in most cases, but when it amounts to satire then its perfectally acceptable in my mind.
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Re: Limits of free speech
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »
I see what you're getting scrapheap but I agree with those who've said that as long as the material isn't illegal (which the examples you used were) it should stay no matter now distasteful, but only to prevent the site being shut down by the host.  Rather than possible illegal content just being deleted I'd prefer it if it was moved to the WC (out of view of the public) to be discussed so that we're all sure it is actually illegal, rather than relying on the word of one staff member (not that there's any staff members I don't trust to make this decision its all about transparent management).
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