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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2007, 08:16:11 PM »
Once one brings objective truth in though,
it does open up the same kind of can of
worms. The whole nature of such an underlying
reality is as difficult to comprehend as the lack
of such a truth.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2007, 08:18:19 PM »
Quote from: calandale on May 17, 2007, 08:16:11 PM
Once one brings objective truth in though,
it does open up the same kind of can of
worms. The whole nature of such an underlying
reality is as difficult to comprehend as the lack
of such a truth.
those are fancy words.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 08:21:46 PM »
Gotta use my BA in BS for something.

They were expensive, after all.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2007, 08:33:37 PM »
Quote from: calandale on May 17, 2007, 08:16:11 PM
Once one brings objective truth in though,
it does open up the same kind of can of
worms. The whole nature of such an underlying
reality is as difficult to comprehend as the lack
of such a truth.

You believe in subjective truth then, and that objective truth does not exist?  Or simply that we cannot know objective truth?  OR Do you simply not know objective truth, and you don't know if it is impossible or not to know it?
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2007, 08:37:21 PM »
I KNOW nothing. I believe in a personal truth,
which may or may not have some objective
reality. But, either way, I believe that it is
fundamentally  a matter of my own will.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2007, 08:43:58 PM »
Mkay.  I know nothing, and I believe in no truths.  I follow my desires and I do not have any strong mental convictions about the rightness or the wrongness of anything.  I accept the possibility of objective truth, but I have seen no convincing method for being sure about it, so it is irrelevant to life.  At least I am comfortable with that attitude personally.  I accept that someone may know objective truth, if it exists, but there is no convincing method to be sure about them either. 
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2007, 08:47:07 PM »
i smell a trap....
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2007, 08:50:58 PM »
Quote from: Nomaken on May 17, 2007, 08:43:58 PM
Mkay.  I know nothing, and I believe in no truths.  I follow my desires and I do not have any strong mental convictions about the rightness or the wrongness of anything.  I accept the possibility of objective truth, but I have seen no convincing method for being sure about it, so it is irrelevant to life.  At least I am comfortable with that attitude personally.  I accept that someone may know objective truth, if it exists, but there is no convincing method to be sure about them either. 

I pretty much buy this, with the exception that I have
some irrational beliefs, which I can't explain the cause of,
that I CAN change the fundamental reality which I seem
to sense. Whether this would effect hypothetical others
is not really a big issue to me.

Quote from: McFonzarelli on May 17, 2007, 08:47:07 PM
i smell a trap....

I hope so. I don't see it.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2007, 09:06:50 PM »
I dont have any irrational beliefs only because I know there are rational reasons behind all my desires.  I dont care much about my ability to affect reality, but I loosely disbelieve in free will.  But my base desires dont give a flying fuck whether I intellectually believe in free will or not.  They want me to get a ham sandwhich and they wont shut up until I go get it.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2007, 09:11:35 PM »
Doesn't the concept of 'rational reasons' almost presuppose SOME reality though?

Then again, my judgment that mine are irrational, does the same. But, I was using
mine in what seems a looser manner, in that I am simply not calling them rational.
Perhaps also that I mostly act as though there is an underlying reality, which is
unchanging - as do most people. Trying to either define or 'break' such a concept
is hard though - paradoxes arise in either case. Just babbling here again.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2007, 09:47:21 PM »
What I'm saying is that all my beliefs have reasons behind them.  The ones which appear irrational have a reason behind it which is usually rather obvious but it seems stupid, unless you consider the strength of ones base beliefs and desires, so people would prefer to not acknowledge them.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2007, 10:19:33 PM »
I see that the sane answer just doesn't leave much to discuss.  ::)
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2007, 01:07:00 AM »
Quote from: calandale on May 17, 2007, 08:37:21 PM
I KNOW nothing. I believe in a personal truth,
which may or may not have some objective
reality. But, either way, I believe that it is
fundamentally  a matter of my own will.

 :agreed:
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2007, 07:44:10 AM »
Truth is a matter of your own will?  I'm still not even clear on your definition, but it seems to far different than mine that there's no way to argue it.  It would be like arguing over the one true pronunciation of the word "read."  It's pointless.
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Re: Truth=relative?
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 07:48:46 AM »
Quote from: PMS Elle on May 18, 2007, 07:44:10 AM
Truth is a matter of your own will?  I'm still not even clear on your definition, but it seems to far different than mine that there's no way to argue it.  It would be like arguing over the one true pronunciation of the word "read."  It's pointless.

It's actaully very simple: if there's no objective truth, truth is a matter of your own will and nothing more.
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