The criminal parts of the Koran

[odeon]

I suppose everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how twisted the opinions are.

[McGiver]

I suppose everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how twisted the opinions are.

QFT.

yes, let's just make it a law that people shouldn't be allowed to act on these opinions.

[odeon]

I suppose everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how twisted the opinions are.

QFT.

yes, let's just make it a law that people shouldn't be allowed to act on these opinions.

There are such laws. Unfortunately they aren't always followed.

[Thagomizer]

Meh, whatever it takes to make you believe your own brand of monotheism is the chosen path eh? 

There's nothing wrong with believing that, but it isn't the point. Care to argue against my points so that we can have an actual conversation, instead of just labeling me because I'm not as politically correct as you? Heaven forbid I should actually believe that there is a reason to value western civilization and the religion that served as it's backbone.

piffle.  have you actually read any of the Koran?  or know/spoken to any Sufis?  or any muslims, for that matter?

A little, yes. I have a copy.

or know/spoken to any Sufis?  or any muslims, for that matter?

This also clouds the issue. Obviously you can find good and bad people of every religion/nationality. I'm not contesting that. What I'm contesting here is the notion that all religions and philosphies are equally capable of exhorting violence. I don' believe they are. Politically incorrect? Yes. Racist and bigoted? Not necessarily.

[duncvis]

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious. The bigotry is what makes you a wanker. I don't get you guys - Xtians, Muslims and Jews all base their delusion of superiority (along with Mor(m)ons, Jehovahs Witnesses/insert crackpot sect here) on the same set of fucking divinely inspired *cough* writings from the Bronze Age. So you'll excuse me if I view your attempts to scream the moral high groundf at each other across a field of bodies as a bit fucking rich. Try making a cogent point or two instead of applauding others' bollocks and I'll be happy to debate them with you. 

[Thagomizer]

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious.

Both groups obviously have problems. One of these groups succeeded in created a society that condones suicide bombings, honor killings, and the slave-like oppression of women. Do I think that makes the other group morally better as a whole? Forgive me for saying so, but yes.

Try making a cogent point or two instead of applauding others' bollocks and I'll be happy to debate them with you. 

You mean like your insightfully cogent argument (which brims with security)? I think I'll pass.

[Lucifer]

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious.

Both groups obviously have problems. One of these groups succeeded in created a society that condones suicide bombings, honor killings, and the slave-like oppression of women. Do I think that makes the other group morally better as a whole? Forgive me for saying so, but yes.

you've obviously never read the history of the christian church then, either.  and have never heard of various christian groups who, even today, think it's okay to sexually harrass/abuse young girls, cos they've got red hair, or are pretty, and who then go on to bewail the fact that the devil got into a 7 seven old, and made her tempt them.  what complete bollocks.

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious. The bigotry is what makes you a wanker. I don't get you guys - Xtians, Muslims and Jews all base their delusion of superiority (along with Mor(m)ons, Jehovahs Witnesses/insert crackpot sect here) on the same set of fucking divinely inspired *cough* writings from the Bronze Age. So you'll excuse me if I view your attempts to scream the moral high groundf at each other across a field of bodies as a bit fucking rich. Try making a cogent point or two instead of applauding others' bollocks and I'll be happy to debate them with you. 

QFT.    

reminds me of the SWP - haven't got an opinion of ther own unless it's in a pamphlet somewhere.

You mean like your insightfully cogent argument (which brims with security)? I think I'll pass.

bit defensive, eh?  i think dunc's point stands - he did say "cogent" and not "cop out".

[The_P]

Fat boy is as sound as a pound... of lard.

[McGiver]

i respect thag for having an opinion on this subject.  i really don't have one of my own since i have been running from religion since i first got out on my own.

PC or not.  i respect the fact that he has a viewpoint.  and i doubt that he is so serios about it that he is willing to coordinate an anti muslim parade.

jeez, people, it is just his own opinion based on his upbringing and other experiences.  and, he said that he has done some reading.

[The_P]

No-one is stopping Serissa's stegosaurus -- or anyone else here -- from having his or hers say on this subject, but that doesn't mean that people aren't going to take their opinions lightly. Otherwise, where's the fun without any opposition?

[duncvis]

i respect thag for having an opinion on this subject.  i really don't have one of my own since i have been running from religion since i first got out on my own.

PC or not.  i respect the fact that he has a viewpoint.  and i doubt that he is so serios about it that he is willing to coordinate an anti muslim parade.

jeez, people, it is just his own opinion based on his upbringing and other experiences.  and, he said that he has done some reading.

like wow, man. fence sitting hippy. 

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious.

Both groups obviously have problems. One of these groups succeeded in created a society that condones suicide bombings, honor killings, and the slave-like oppression of women. Do I think that makes the other group morally better as a whole? Forgive me for saying so, but yes.

Try making a cogent point or two instead of applauding others' bollocks and I'll be happy to debate them with you. 

You mean like your insightfully cogent argument (which brims with security)? I think I'll pass.

You don't actually seem to have answered it though monkey boy. I'm serious. Produce an actual argument rather than 'my guys are teh bettar because we don't cut thieves hands off (any more) or stone women to death (any more)' which supports your arguments that a billion people are more predisposed to religion-sanctioned acts of barbarism than adherents of your own blood soaked faith. And then don't make yourself look retarded by applying the argument to the average guy in the street. Tell you what pal, you'd be luckier to break down or run out of cash in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood than a so-called Xtian one. And stereotyping is a shortcut to thinking. Do yourself a favour, and actually get a job with m,uslim co-workers, or make a muslim friend or two, who can actually clue you in on some shit.

[Lucifer]

 

[odeon]

Not politically correct. Considering one set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers trying to claim that another set of believers in the word of 2000+ yr old sheepshaggers are evil/wrong/primitive/pwned is fucking hilarious. The bigotry is what makes you a wanker. I don't get you guys - Xtians, Muslims and Jews all base their delusion of superiority (along with Mor(m)ons, Jehovahs Witnesses/insert crackpot sect here) on the same set of fucking divinely inspired *cough* writings from the Bronze Age. So you'll excuse me if I view your attempts to scream the moral high groundf at each other across a field of bodies as a bit fucking rich. Try making a cogent point or two instead of applauding others' bollocks and I'll be happy to debate them with you. 

QFT

[McGiver]

this is utter bollucks.


why don't you call him out, dunc.  it is starting to look like an old fashioned gang up here, by the PC brigade.
at least a callout would make the fight somewhat fair, mohammed!

[duncvis]

a) learn to spell. the word is bollocks. I swear you do it on purpose. 

b) I don't see why it needs to be a gang up. I've asked him twice to rationally explain his reasoning for claiming christians to be more moral/superior/whatever than muslims. he hasn't. I don't see why he can't back up his prejudice on this thread. And it has fuck all to do with PC, I treat all sacred cows with equal disdain. I just despise arrogance and hypocrisy. 

If thagomiser would prefer to present his rationale in the main event thats up to him. the question is already there.