Another US shooting..

[odeon]

And you replaced it with something about me. Well done to piss me off, idiot. Consider yourself sinbinned.

And here's a hint: the kind of bullying that is your thing is against our TOS, just as it is against the TOS of your service provider. So no, you don't get to keep on doing it here.

[odeon]

Oh, and if you doubt me, talk to your ISP. I can do it if you like but then you'll have to get a new one.

[Calandale]

Yeah. This place has gone completely to shit. 

[Lestat]

What did you expect with a baby in charge?

If I didn't know it was an old one, I'd guess  you changed your avatar to better resemble the management. Well, on a good day at least.

Want to try for a bad day?

I can't make my mind up...

http://2il.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Sea-creatures.jpg

Or..wait, no, I got it:

'no punters make me a saaaaaadddd panda'

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZdnIslPmutSOe3nlqJrgYoDCZVFJ-Wlkv-jdJQwIp46Ln9wuQlA

[DirtDawg]

So what's the cause of gun violence this week?  Is it "mental health" or "mexicans"?  I can't remember where we got to.

When did I ever say Mexicans?

I think that post was meant as a generalized random jab at some of us USA gun owners.

I grew up in a predominately Mexican culture in South Texas. Almost all my friends were of some form of Spanish, Portuguese, Indian (native American, but they HATE that reference) or mestizo decent.

While the phrase SFM was very commonly used (Stupid Fucking Mexican) the people I knew were just as smart as we whites were.
Now to be quite honest, many of my friends fathers did not have the advantage of my own father's fancy 8th grade education, so they often seemed a bit "stupid".
In reality they were eager to learn new things and found better work from associating with these really smart cowboys like my dad, with his fancy 8th grade education.

I have problem with these assholes who think that third world country people can not contribute to a modern and "sophisticated" (in our tunnel visioned view) society.  Someone just needs to give them a chance to succeed and many will surprise us all.

[Lestat]

I suppose it depends on who and where. Some places do seem rather to have gone to hell in a handbasket. (syria, somalia etc.) Where until some pretty filthy stains are cleansed it isn't going to get much better.

(not that in the case of syria at least there is much left anymore TO get better. Not unless your an autie that has a speshul interest in collecting artillery shell-casings, landminds and the odd dump full of mustard gas) (count me out. If I wanted that sort of thing I'd not be borrowing any from some jihadi chumps who probably make shitty mustard agents. Not that its particularly difficult, I've never tried to sit down and work out how long it would take me, but lets just say a couple of hardware stores and a pet shop and I'd already have it if I wanted any. )

[FourAceDeal]

So what's the cause of gun violence this week?  Is it "mental health" or "mexicans"?  I can't remember where we got to.

When did I ever say Mexicans?

I think that post was meant as a generalized random jab at some of us USA gun owners.

I grew up in a predominately Mexican culture in South Texas. Almost all my friends were of some form of Spanish, Portuguese, Indian (native American, but they HATE that reference) or mestizo decent.

While the phrase SFM was very commonly used (Stupid Fucking Mexican) the people I knew were just as smart as we whites were.
Now to be quite honest, many of my friends fathers did not have the advantage of my own father's fancy 8th grade education, so they often seemed a bit "stupid".
In reality they were eager to learn new things and found better work from associating with these really smart cowboys like my dad, with his fancy 8th grade education.

I have problem with these assholes who think that third world country people can not contribute to a modern and "sophisticated" (in our tunnel visioned view) society.  Someone just needs to give them a chance to succeed and many will surprise us all.

There's been a few mentions of Mexicans on this thread so not a random reference.

Anyway...

Once again I ask...  Can any of the gun lobby supporters provide any verifiable research that sho0ws either than gun controls will not work in reducing gun violence, or any statistical proof that mental health is linked to gun crime, violent crime, or any fucking crime at all.

Or you can change the subject and get more insulting.  I bet most will go option b.

[Al Swearegen]

So what's the cause of gun violence this week?  Is it "mental health" or "mexicans"?  I can't remember where we got to.

When did I ever say Mexicans?

I think that post was meant as a generalized random jab at some of us USA gun owners.

I grew up in a predominately Mexican culture in South Texas. Almost all my friends were of some form of Spanish, Portuguese, Indian (native American, but they HATE that reference) or mestizo decent.

While the phrase SFM was very commonly used (Stupid Fucking Mexican) the people I knew were just as smart as we whites were.
Now to be quite honest, many of my friends fathers did not have the advantage of my own father's fancy 8th grade education, so they often seemed a bit "stupid".
In reality they were eager to learn new things and found better work from associating with these really smart cowboys like my dad, with his fancy 8th grade education.

I have problem with these assholes who think that third world country people can not contribute to a modern and "sophisticated" (in our tunnel visioned view) society.  Someone just needs to give them a chance to succeed and many will surprise us all.

There's been a few mentions of Mexicans on this thread so not a random reference.

Anyway...

Once again I ask...  Can any of the gun lobby supporters provide any verifiable research that sho0ws either than gun controls will not work in reducing gun violence, or any statistical proof that mental health is linked to gun crime, violent crime, or any fucking crime at all.

Or you can change the subject and get more insulting.  I bet most will go option b.

Cool list every incident of ANYONE going postal and I will show you a mentally ill person. Why? Because it is mentally abnornal behaviour. Same as suicides. Mentally healthy people generally do not do it.

Many of the homicides are from Sociopaths and Psychopaths.

[odeon]

By your definition, then?

[FourAceDeal]

Cool list every incident of ANYONE going postal and I will show you a mentally ill person. Why? Because it is mentally abnornal behaviour. Same as suicides. Mentally healthy people generally do not do it.

Many of the homicides are from Sociopaths and Psychopaths.

That is the second worst logic I have ever witnessed you use.

Of course from the view point of the majority ALL abhorrent behaviour is mentally abnormal.  Murder.  Suicide.  Shoplifting.  Smoking.  None of it makes sense so it must be mad people.

The point you miss is that mentally unhealthy people mostly start out as mentally healthy people.  Just like most illegally sold guns start out as legally sold guns.  To not legislate that flow of firearms is the most mentally unhealthy thing about this subject.

Once again.  Gun control does not equal gun ban. 

But please, if you have any studies or statistics that show gun control will be bad or that mental health is linked to crime in any way whatsoever then please post it up here so we can all see it.  I'm still waiting. All you do is re-post the same unfounded shit.

Evidence please.

[Al Swearegen]

Cool list every incident of ANYONE going postal and I will show you a mentally ill person. Why? Because it is mentally abnornal behaviour. Same as suicides. Mentally healthy people generally do not do it.

Many of the homicides are from Sociopaths and Psychopaths.

That is the second worst logic I have ever witnessed you use.

Of course from the view point of the majority ALL abhorrent behaviour is mentally abnormal.  Murder.  Suicide.  Shoplifting.  Smoking.  None of it makes sense so it must be mad people.

The point you miss is that mentally unhealthy people mostly start out as mentally healthy people.  Just like most illegally sold guns start out as legally sold guns.  To not legislate that flow of firearms is the most mentally unhealthy thing about this subject.

Once again.  Gun control does not equal gun ban. 

But please, if you have any studies or statistics that show gun control will be bad or that mental health is linked to crime in any way whatsoever then please post it up here so we can all see it.  I'm still waiting. All you do is re-post the same unfounded shit.

Evidence please.

I have not questioned the fact that mentally unwell people usually start of mentally well. That does in no way address my point.

Are mass shooters mentally well or mentally unwell? Easy question. Are people that use guns to suicide mentally well or mentally unwell? As I say regardless of how they became mentally unwell or when, and regardless of how difficult you believe it is to enforce this, you said there is no statistical link, I would have you list names of such people and I will call each of these people as suffering from Psychological illness/being mentally unwell and you can dispute these all you like. We can apply these to your efforts to pretend there is no link and wrap this ridiculous conversation up.

If your argument is shifting to "but you will not be able to enforce it" that is an entirely different point to the one at hand

[odeon]

You're still not presenting any evidence, only opinions.

[FourAceDeal]

I have not questioned the fact that mentally unwell people usually start of mentally well. That does in no way address my point.

Are mass shooters mentally well or mentally unwell? Easy question. Are people that use guns to suicide mentally well or mentally unwell? As I say regardless of how they became mentally unwell or when, and regardless of how difficult you believe it is to enforce this, you said there is no statistical link, I would have you list names of such people and I will call each of these people as suffering from Psychological illness/being mentally unwell and you can dispute these all you like. We can apply these to your efforts to pretend there is no link and wrap this ridiculous conversation up.

If your argument is shifting to "but you will not be able to enforce it" that is an entirely different point to the one at hand

All that is standing between you and a Nobel prize is your reluctance to post any kind of provable statistic.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Regulating guns is too hard.

Instead we should regulate people's state of mind.

Yeah, that sounds much easier.

[Al Swearegen]

Regulating guns is too hard.

Instead we should regulate people's state of mind.

Yeah, that sounds much easier.

Are you trying to think? It's cute.