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« Reply #360 on: April 23, 2007, 01:25:39 PM »
I'm not a raving eco-fanatic cyclist (though a friend of mine could be described this way) and i rarely ride my dilapidated old bike but i think that although the roads are obviously built with cars in mind, bikes do far less damage to the roads and generally contribute less to the need for the road tax to maintain them.

not to mention the difference in environmental problems. so i think it's good if there's some sort of incentive not to always use a car. And on congestion - if they made cyclists pay congestion charge and road tax then the cyclist may as well go and get in his car and then there'd be more congestion

I'm lazy though so i'd probably still drive my car if i had one again, and cyclists can be quite arrogant and they piss me off when they jump red lights and cycle fast down the pavement. cunts ;(
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« Reply #361 on: April 23, 2007, 01:31:28 PM »
why don't you blokes ever win the tour de france?
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« Reply #362 on: April 23, 2007, 01:33:31 PM »
i blame the shitty weather.
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« Reply #363 on: April 23, 2007, 01:34:26 PM »
i blame the shitty weather.

good point.
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« Reply #364 on: April 24, 2007, 07:04:47 AM »
Because we prefer cars!
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« Reply #365 on: April 24, 2007, 07:15:53 AM »
Because we prefer cars!
you lot are killing the environment.
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« Reply #366 on: April 24, 2007, 03:07:15 PM »
Technology will win the day. They've developed an engine that runs on compressed air in France, not an ounce of pollution of any kind. Yes pollution is a problem, but technolgy can easily make 4 wheeled transport pollution free.

Cars are crucial to individual freedom and economic success. It's just that until now there was no incentive for the companies to use anything other than the 130 year old combustion engine. Now there is a big momentum for new types of propulsion to be developed.

I believe the same can and will happen for trains and planes with enough pressure from citizens.

We can't allow the green lobby to impose economic stalinism on us. Yes pollution is a problem, but let entrepeneurs and the private individual fix that!

The most the state should do is give guidance on technogical needs, but never technology itself, else you will end up with the green version of a Lada or how Skoda used to be.

The Labour government is NOT an example of this though.

What about an underground tube system of cycle lanes? The state never thinks intelligently.
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« Reply #367 on: April 24, 2007, 03:20:40 PM »
I agree, but isn't that technology being developed partly in response to the (moderate) green lobby?
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« Reply #368 on: April 24, 2007, 03:29:43 PM »
Technology is actually a large part of the problem. Contrary to what some will make you believe, it's not easy to develop alternative fuel solutions for anything with wheels. It's certainly possible, and even viable, but since the incentive is, and is likely to be in the near future, largely a financial one (as in "gain"), the industry isn't really bothering to do more than absolutely necessary. It's hugely expensive to develop a single new engine for an automotive so they avoid this for as long as possible.

Unfortunately, the planet doesn't have the time to wait.

What the state should do--any state--in the interest of saving their future economies as well as large portions of the third world population, is to force the industry to act. This is happening but not nearly as fast as it should be. There are always exceptions, there are carbon dioxide quotas routinely exceeded, and there are always excuses.

If the Lada or the Skoda is green enough while being state-made and generally boring, I'd readily accept the trade-off. It's no fun driving a cool car when the planet is going to hell.
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« Reply #369 on: April 24, 2007, 04:01:10 PM »
Well partially, but more so because of the science. Technology is what responds to scientific discoveries, it's the logical solution. Governments are not the natural match with science.
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« Reply #370 on: April 24, 2007, 04:03:29 PM »
Plus, it's probably too late for conservation efforts to stand
a chance anyway. We might as well live it up, and screw the young.

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« Reply #371 on: April 25, 2007, 02:24:20 AM »
Yeah, to hell with the next generation. :green:
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« Reply #372 on: April 25, 2007, 02:45:29 AM »
Actually, I was thinking more along Lit's line here....

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« Reply #373 on: April 25, 2007, 02:17:27 PM »
yeah but scientific discoveries don't just happen. they come about thanks to funding and the govt has a choice what kind of research to fund.
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« Reply #374 on: April 25, 2007, 11:03:03 PM »
.......or how Skoda used to be.

Skoda used to do pretty good in World Rally Championship.