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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2007, 01:47:02 PM »
I'd really like if hillary won, but if she doesn't, who is the other candidate?
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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2007, 02:23:59 PM »
I think this quote from that article is Hilaryous.

"Take a serious look at nuclear."

Is this the quote you are thinking of?

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Nuclear is now very much in the news as a potential power source because of its lack of contribution to global warming. If you look at nuclear energy, which currently provides 20 percent of our energy with virtually no emission of greenhouse gases, we do have to take a serious look, but there remain very serious questions about nuclear power and our ability to manage it in a world with suicidal terrorists.

So I have real concerns, specifically about a plant in my state near where I live, Indian Point, which has had a number of problems, and more generally with the capacity and quality of the oversight provided by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.


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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2007, 02:33:19 PM »
Sorry, it's from the link you posted. I was just being lazy ...

The thing that I think it is so funny is its lack of specificity. How could anyone disagree with her stance.

Quote from: zfacts.com
   
Hilary Clinton's Energy Policy
   
     Clinton's energy policy context
   Our supplies are vulnerable to terrorists.
   High prices are a burden on business, families and especially poor families.
   Earth is warming faster than at any time in 200,000 years.
   Opportunity for cleaner environment and technologically driven job growth.
   Save US economy tens of billions of dollars.

Clinton's Goals:
   Reduce our dependence on foreign oil by at least 50 percent by 2025.
   Convert 4 million barrels a day of oil to biomass by 2025.
   Efficiency (cars, trucks, industrial, residential) can reduce usage by 4 M bbl/day.
   Ethanol pumps at 50% of gas stations nationwide by 2015 and 100 percent by 2025.

Clinton's Specific Proposals:
   Strategic Energy Fund (SEF), like DARPA, funded in part from windfall gains to oil.
   Extending for 10 years the production tax credit. [Ethanol?]
   Doubling consumer tax breaks for hybrids, clean diesel and other advanced vehicles.
   A new tax incentive for fleet owners to purchase more efficient vehicles.
   Loan guarantees for the first 1 B gal. of cellulosic ethanol production capacity.
   $1 billion from SEF into cellulosic ethanol research.
   A 50% tax credit to gas station owners for the cost of installing ethanol pumps.
   Increase energy-efficiency tax incentives for homeowners and businesses.
   By 2010, require the federal gov. to purchase the most efficient cars made.
   By 2013, require 10% of federal electricity purchases come from renewables.
   Require 20% of electricity produced from wind, solar and other renewables by 2020.
   Require the big oil companies to install ethanol pumps at all the stations they own.
   A mandatory cap-and-trade system, like in the McCain-Lieberman legislation.
   Undertake 5 large-scale tests of geologic CO2 sequestration.
   Provide tax credits for carbon sequestration to encourage domestic oil production.
   Take a serious look at nuclear.
   Look for places where mass transit makes sense and make the investment.
   Provide a tax incentive to trade in inefficient old cars for more efficient cars.
   Make progress on fuel-efficiency standards.
   Offer auto companies assistance with retiree health care costs in exchange
         for them investing more in fuel-efficient cars.
   Increase Strategic Petroleum Reserve to hold 90 days of supply and use mandates
         and incentives to ensure distributors hold similar stocks. Update the process
         of releasing oil to make it responsive to short-term market swings.

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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2007, 02:37:48 PM »
Getting electricity from nuclear power plants would produce very little greenhouse gases, but it sounds like Hilary Clinton does not want one in her backyard, because of a concern about terrorism.

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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
It appears to me that people who live near the coasts will have to move inland.

I think using more nuclear power, solar power and wind power instead of fossil fuels will mitigate the climate change that is coming, but it will not reverse it completely.

Fissil fuels aren't CAUSING global warming, perhaps only accelerating it. The earth has been warming since the reversal of the "mini-ice age" that occured between 1650's and 1850's.

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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 02:53:42 PM »
Oh, that's nice.  What does america think?  Until the american government recognizes it, no matter how much ass the rest of the world kicks at mending the damage, america is gonna spoil their efforts.

Actually, China and India are the 2 biggest polluters these days. (as far as lax environmental concerns go)

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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2007, 02:54:36 PM »
But does the next administration consider it an important part of their running ticket? 

If Hilary Clinton wins the election it will be.  She was speaking about global warming recently.

http://zfacts.com/p/660.html

God forbid!!! Hillary is a tyrant!!

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Re: How much do YOU fuck up the environment?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 02:56:55 PM »
Sorry, it's from the link you posted. I was just being lazy ...

The thing that I think it is so funny is its lack of specificity. How could anyone disagree with her stance.

Quote from: zfacts.com
   
Hilary Clinton's Energy Policy
   
     Clinton's energy policy context
   Our supplies are vulnerable to terrorists.
   High prices are a burden on business, families and especially poor families.
   Earth is warming faster than at any time in 200,000 years.
   Opportunity for cleaner environment and technologically driven job growth.
   Save US economy tens of billions of dollars.

Clinton's Goals:
   Reduce our dependence on foreign oil by at least 50 percent by 2025.
   Convert 4 million barrels a day of oil to biomass by 2025.
   Efficiency (cars, trucks, industrial, residential) can reduce usage by 4 M bbl/day.
   Ethanol pumps at 50% of gas stations nationwide by 2015 and 100 percent by 2025.

Clinton's Specific Proposals:
   Strategic Energy Fund (SEF), like DARPA, funded in part from windfall gains to oil.
   Extending for 10 years the production tax credit. [Ethanol?]
   Doubling consumer tax breaks for hybrids, clean diesel and other advanced vehicles.
   A new tax incentive for fleet owners to purchase more efficient vehicles.
   Loan guarantees for the first 1 B gal. of cellulosic ethanol production capacity.
   $1 billion from SEF into cellulosic ethanol research.
   A 50% tax credit to gas station owners for the cost of installing ethanol pumps.
   Increase energy-efficiency tax incentives for homeowners and businesses.
   By 2010, require the federal gov. to purchase the most efficient cars made.
   By 2013, require 10% of federal electricity purchases come from renewables.
   Require 20% of electricity produced from wind, solar and other renewables by 2020.
   Require the big oil companies to install ethanol pumps at all the stations they own.
   A mandatory cap-and-trade system, like in the McCain-Lieberman legislation.
   Undertake 5 large-scale tests of geologic CO2 sequestration.
   Provide tax credits for carbon sequestration to encourage domestic oil production.
   Take a serious look at nuclear.
   Look for places where mass transit makes sense and make the investment.
   Provide a tax incentive to trade in inefficient old cars for more efficient cars.
   Make progress on fuel-efficiency standards.
   Offer auto companies assistance with retiree health care costs in exchange
         for them investing more in fuel-efficient cars.
   Increase Strategic Petroleum Reserve to hold 90 days of supply and use mandates
         and incentives to ensure distributors hold similar stocks. Update the process
         of releasing oil to make it responsive to short-term market swings.


Thanks DirtDawg, this is my case in point. Can you read "Massive Government Power Grab" behind every proposal?? I knew you could!!  ;) ;D