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Re: I quit
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2020, 02:48:53 AM »
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Re: I quit
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2020, 05:19:30 AM »
How do you people find the time to lurk each other's karma?!

Like Walkie said, there's a karma stat link at the bottom of the index page. I looked at it because my karma had changed.  :orly:
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Re: I quit
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2020, 05:37:07 AM »
that's not FAD;'s style;

I really don't really know how it was intended, but when not used as slang it has religious connotations to me, and that doesn't seem like his style either.  :lol1:
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Re: I quit
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2020, 06:44:52 AM »
I guess I get frustrated the online world because the face to face punching of nazis was all the rage when I was younger.  I have no time for them, or their enablers.

Anyway, what's up you old bastards (and gophers)?
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Re: I quit
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2020, 08:09:17 AM »
How do you people find the time to lurk each other's karma?!

Like Walkie said, there's a karma stat link at the bottom of the index page. I looked at it because my karma had changed.  :orly:
yep. forgot to mention that advantage to using the idex page link: it'actually the simplest and quickest way of checking who's changed your own karma.  and you get all that other info as a bonus. It beats me why anybody ever does it the other way?

I sometines get the impression that some members think that karma is all about mudslinging?  Far from it  . Negs are highly unusual these days. It's almost all about sympathising, congratulating , welcoming etc.  And sometimes people who are "at each others throats "in discussion  can be found plussing each other in the karma, Thus  karma  also helps to keep these things in perspective.

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Re: I quit
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2020, 09:43:43 AM »
I guess I get frustrated the online world because the face to face punching of nazis was all the rage when I was younger.  I have no time for them, or their enablers.

Oh!  beating up on "Nazis"is still all the rage here in the UK, but it's become something  of sick joke, inasmuch as it tends to be led by comfortably -off middle class twits who have no idea what real life is like for poorer folk.  And the definition of "nazi"has been extended and extended to include anyone who's poor, white and sick of being shat upon...or even (since much of the hostility moved online)  poor , black and sick of being shat upon (given that usually can't tell folks'ethnicity just  from their opinions,  but that doesn't stop people from making facile assumptions) .  Indeed , you only have to be articulate to be dismissed as "'overprivileged". Or in favour of Brexit (which  seems to cover most of the working class and  underclass, irrspective of ethnicity),

The underlying logic  seems to be that if somebody  complains about the housing crisis etc , or if they  voted  Brexit, then it follows that they  must have swallowed all that  Right Wing propaganda  that tries to make scapegoats out of  immigrants (and/or or the sick, the disabled, the unemployed  etc.)  Of course they haven't. Most working class people are not so brain dead that they can't think for themselves and identify the genuinely overprivileged as the main source of their problems. Or come up with any number of alternative socio-political explanations  But  if a few are daft enough to buy the right-wing propaganda, it's hard to blame them them for that, and actually worse-than-pointless to blame them, That only antagonises them further, to the benefit of the usual divide-and-rule scenario. If there's a way of breaking out of that (essentially Nazi) scenario, that surely  isn't it.   

Well, that's my view anyway. and I present it here  just to make the point that there far too many different ways of defining the Nazis and -especially- the 'Nazi enablers"; and depending on which way you cut it, you can justifiably point that finger at just about anyone.I remain covinced that the pointing of fingers is the thing to be avoided.  If the shat-upon (and sympathisers)  could only join forces, then we would all cease to be minorities wouldn;t we? and become a force to be reckoned with.  Instead, we're persuaded to join in with debating like a bunch of Victorian do-gooders about which of us really deserves to be heard, and which of us really deserves to have enough money to survive on, whilst all our observations are turned into straw men and weaponised against us.

(white,   working class, disabled , dirt-poor, socialist  female speaking here. Often mistaken for a  member of the patronising classes, purely on account of being white and articulate. Really!   :LOL:)

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ummmm...more of the same, evidently
and, welcome back!   :dance: (I now feel able to say that sincerely   :))
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Re: I quit
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2020, 10:26:05 AM »

Anyway, what's up you old bastards (and gophers)?

The big plan today is a shower.  :zoinks:
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Re: I quit
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2020, 11:40:49 AM »
Did I know FAD? Somebody tell me please because I never remember these things and the name doesn't seem familiar but people change their names all the time.  :facepalm2:
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Re: I quit
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2020, 01:28:53 PM »
I guess I get frustrated the online world because the face to face punching of nazis was all the rage when I was younger.  I have no time for them, or their enablers.

Oh!  beating up on "Nazis"is still all the rage here in the UK, but it's become something  of sick joke, inasmuch as it tends to be led by comfortably -off middle class twits who have no idea what real life is like for poorer folk.  And the definition of "nazi"has been extended and extended to include anyone who's poor, white and sick of being shat upon...or even (since much of the hostility moved online)  poor , black and sick of being shat upon (given that usually can't tell folks'ethnicity just  from their opinions,  but that doesn't stop people from making facile assumptions) .  Indeed , you only have to be articulate to be dismissed as "'overprivileged". Or in favour of Brexit (which  seems to cover most of the working class and  underclass, irrspective of ethnicity),

The underlying logic  seems to be that if somebody  complains about the housing crisis etc , or if they  voted  Brexit, then it follows that they  must have swallowed all that  Right Wing propaganda  that tries to make scapegoats out of  immigrants (and/or or the sick, the disabled, the unemployed  etc.)  Of course they haven't. Most working class people are not so brain dead that they can't think for themselves and identify the genuinely overprivileged as the main source of their problems. Or come up with any number of alternative socio-political explanations  But  if a few are daft enough to buy the right-wing propaganda, it's hard to blame them them for that, and actually worse-than-pointless to blame them, That only antagonises them further, to the benefit of the usual divide-and-rule scenario. If there's a way of breaking out of that (essentially Nazi) scenario, that surely  isn't it.   

Well, that's my view anyway. and I present it here  just to make the point that there far too many different ways of defining the Nazis and -especially- the 'Nazi enablers"; and depending on which way you cut it, you can justifiably point that finger at just about anyone.I remain covinced that the pointing of fingers is the thing to be avoided.  If the shat-upon (and sympathisers)  could only join forces, then we would all cease to be minorities wouldn;t we? and become a force to be reckoned with.  Instead, we're persuaded to join in with debating like a bunch of Victorian do-gooders about which of us really deserves to be heard, and which of us really deserves to have enough money to survive on, whilst all our observations are turned into straw men and weaponised against us.

(white,   working class, disabled , dirt-poor, socialist  female speaking here. Often mistaken for a  member of the patronising classes, purely on account of being white and articulate. Really!   :LOL:)

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ummmm...more of the same, evidently
and, welcome back!   :dance: (I now feel able to say that sincerely   :))


Walkie,  I think you have some issues with people other than myself and I'm glad to have given you the opportumity to vent but if that is all about me then I think there is a lot of projection involved.
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Re: I quit
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2020, 01:31:56 PM »
I guess this exchange reinforces my point.

In the original exchange here, dude shows up spewing hatred. People openly argue and scorn him. He eventually finds no receptive response. He's verbally shut diwn in great enough numbers that he eventually gives up and leaves. By that point, people who knew him in better times are genuinely concerned about his wellbeing.

Is that not a near-ideal response to racism and misogyny? But you are offended that you even had to see it happen?

I apologies for rattling your cage Pyraxis.  It wasn't my intention.  Accept a heartfelt sorry from the Aces.  I stopped reading when the thread early as my give-a-toss-ometer had reached zero so missed the pushback.

My bad.  Those assholes make me ashamed to be part of the same species and sometimes I "tilt".

Can we start again?
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Re: I quit
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2020, 03:49:17 PM »
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/covid-19-highlights-failures-of-neoliberalism-and-privatisation,13908#disqus_thread

This article about the failures of neoliberalism is excellent and comes with my highest recommendation.

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Re: I quit
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2020, 04:55:27 PM »
Walkie,  I think you have some issues with people other than myself and I'm glad to have given you the opportumity to vent but if that is all about me then I think there is a lot of projection involved.
umm, no, it wasn't directed at you, Thought I'd made it pretty clear that you were no longer getting up my nose and was ready to sincerely welcome you back ? no? I  find  that term "nazi-enablers " (which you used. And that's precisely how far you come it, and no further, for all I can tell)  to be almost universally inflammatory. But I'm  quite  sure that's not your intent, sooooo was trying to explain why  yer average  working class Brit would find it inflammatory when aimed at them (You live here , so you  know how often that occurs, presumably. And I do believe it's a real problem ) .

 Obviouslyy, Al is not a working class Brit, so it's not about Al either  Nor is it about me, personally.  I was   just explaining it  it from a perspective i can claim to be familiar with. ( I mean, I have working class credentials, so i think that lends me a bit of  authority on that question, which I might otherwise lack)

I have no idea where you, yourself,  fit (or- being a spazz-  fail to fit  :laugh:)on the social scale. but reckon the chances are that  you are not especially over[rivileged, if at all, so would not try and get into a class war with you (especially not considering that some of my best friends have been middle class.  :apondering:  the usage of past tense is not meant to imply an acrimonious split up, btw.   Merely pedantically acknowleging that most of them are now deceased)

Sorry that you took it personally.  Maybe i should have posted that  ""welcome back "bit at the top of my post instead of at the bottom?
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Re: I quit
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2020, 05:04:12 PM »
Al strikes me as a typical working class Aussie in many ways though.

He has clearly bought into various nonsensical narratives about progressives and leftists and feminists. He is typical of the shift that has occurred, where large segments of the working class votes against their own interests, throwing their support and loyalty behind the forces of conservatism and neoliberalism - the precise things that are literally screwing them over.

Meanwhile it is the "woke" middle class and groups fighting for the rights of minorities that is taking leftist politics in new directions, away from being the champions of the working class. To the extent that much of the working class sees them as the enemy.
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Re: I quit
« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2020, 05:23:40 PM »
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/covid-19-highlights-failures-of-neoliberalism-and-privatisation,13908#disqus_thread

This article about the failures of neoliberalism is excellent and comes with my highest recommendation.

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Re: I quit
« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2020, 06:12:11 PM »
Al strikes me as a typical working class Aussie in many ways though.
Umm yeah. I guess.

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He has clearly bought into various nonsensical narratives about progressives and leftists and feminists. He is typical of the shift that has occurred, where large segments of the working class votes against their own interests, throwing their support and loyalty behind the forces of conservatism and neoliberalism - the precise things that are literally screwing them over.

but how typical is that really? dunno about Oz, but they don't need to bring anything like a majority of Brits over to the dark side.   Taking over the Labour Party, emasculating the Trade Unions, and generally making folk feel too depressed and disempowered to bother to vote have had a big impact too.

Besides, you forget that most of the "progresives, lefists and feminists" are neoliberals in sheeps cclothing. Like Monbriot said, that ideology is so pervasive,  it doesn't need a name anymore.  It passes itself off as "just the way it is".  Speaking from my own experience, a lot of working class Brits are very much aware that they're being had with all that , but they don't know where to turn.
The nearest thing we've had, over here,  to a  credible non-neoliberal platform is  Corbyn's Labour Party. And look what happened to that.

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Meanwhile it is the "woke" middle class and groups fighting for the rights of minorities that is taking leftist politics in new directions, away from being the champions of the working class. To the extent that much of the working class sees them as the enemy.

Count me in there.  They are  the enemy.  :LOL: if you're gonna declare that  the North faceof Everest is a "level playing field" just so long as you can get the requisite proportiion of "minorities"" playing  at the top end , then you are dangerously deluded  (not meaning you, Mo . I mean "one"). 

I mean, neoliberalism, in all its forms, is the enemy , never mind how nice a face it wears, and nevermind how much its heart bleeds for injustice. Damn!  It's really hard to find anyone who isn;t undermining their stated goals, isn't it?  :(   Seems we're all as dumb as each other.