Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

I do not think she is clueless in all regards, but she pushes her points beyond reason often.

As far as President Trump, it was not the Republican party that elected him. It was the Electoral College. A point of order that the Dems still object to and are trying to gather votes to change.

BY your statement that the left needs to rein her in, you have confirmed my main point.
Hell of it is that about half or better of what she says I agree with, like the idea that (half of what she says) some of the system is broken and should NOT be this way.

I wasn't actually disagreeing with you, just adding some thoughts.

AOC doesn't want to stop international flights, that's a straw man that a lot of people are buying. In Europe you can get around quite well by train, often very high speed trains. Building a high speed rail network between major population centres would mean that air traffic could be massively reduced. It's a good idea, worth exploring.

I think the mainstream Dems are working very hard to hog the political centre, and feel threatened by popular politicians who seek to drag them (kicking and screaming) to the left. Maybe they will wake up to why that isn't working out for them any more.... maybe not.

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

[odeon]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

Do you think that he actually wants a deal on the wall? Or does the ongoing focus and drama, about something so fucking pointless and stupid, serve his purposes far more than any deal could?

[Al Swearegen]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

Do you think that he actually wants a deal on the wall? Or does the ongoing focus and drama, about something so fucking pointless and stupid, serve his purposes far more than any deal could?

He was strongest on four major pillars:

Build the wall
Drain the swamp
More jobs for Americans
Strong Economy

The first pillar needs to be delivered.
The real question is going to be, if the economy is good and there seems to be more jobs for Americans but there has been no real swamp draining and no significant wall building, whether this will be enough for his supporters, after 4 years, to trust him and his commitments for another term?

My thoughts is I think he will lose a LOT of support. If Huber and Horowitz start going down the path of criminal charges for some of the "swamp" AND there is significant and allocated wall funding around that time....I really don't know. It may well be enough.

If the wall is completely built and swamp are getting prosecuted left and right, he sails in unchecked.

I think personally it is likely to fall somewhere between the first two hypothetical examples.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

What about the 5th pillar? Jailing crooked Hillary?

[Al Swearegen]

What about the 5th pillar? Jailing crooked Hillary?

Lock her up? Part of draining the swamp. That has NOT been happening. As I said if he is not seen to be doing 2 out of 4 of these, I think the supporters will be pretty unforgivable towards Trump. If he is seen to have two in good order and working on another one or two of these then this will be seen as acceptable.

Quite honestly this is a BIG reason why he was keen to sign a shitty proposal.

[Calandale]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

Yep. The CiC is a master of one thing - disrupting the news cycle.

[Calandale]

Why would GOP be afraid of her?

That's the question I don't get. I mean, each party has its extremists.
It is actually dangerous to give them too much attention. That's how we ended up
with Mr. Corruption in charge, after all.

I am asking Odeon as he is the one suggesting that the GOP is afraid of her.

And I'm asking YOU why the R's are making such a big deal of her. If she were just a Sessions or King,
they'd do what they did with other extreme leftists - make a smirking comment and move on.

Is it that, post-trump, the party realizes that a charismatic person who should have no chance can rise to
leadership?

I am sorry, but the established GOP wants her front row center as a way to garner votes for their own platform.

If they can find a way to make her and a few other extreme socialists appear as the soul of the Democratic Party, they might just expect a gain in their base from these performances.

I do not think the average American is ready to ground all the airline planes in order to build a number of super train bridges across the Atlantic.

I know she is young and has her eyes all full of stars and has been elevated to see the stars even better now, but, expecting us to just print dollars to pay for things? You have to see through this. Stars in her eyes are blinding her to the reality of international politics.

She IS pretty, though.
It is the movement to the extreme left that they are afraid of. At this point, I doubt that many take her seriously.

Since this is the response (although DD had to elucidate it for you), I don't buy it.

The other people the right has regularly held up as this kind of poster child
have always been those that they really had a reason to fear: Pelosi, Mrs. Clinton,
Obama, Bernie when he looked possible....

They left Barbara Lee and the rest of the fringe alone, just as the Dems largely left
the wackier looney tunes of the right alone. Oh sure, there'd be an occasional mocking
piece - but naught more.

I really think they're afraid. That they see which way the country is headed, and
have to try and undermine that.

It's been a long time since there was a real left.

[Al Swearegen]

Why would GOP be afraid of her?

That's the question I don't get. I mean, each party has its extremists.
It is actually dangerous to give them too much attention. That's how we ended up
with Mr. Corruption in charge, after all.

I am asking Odeon as he is the one suggesting that the GOP is afraid of her.

And I'm asking YOU why the R's are making such a big deal of her. If she were just a Sessions or King,
they'd do what they did with other extreme leftists - make a smirking comment and move on.

Is it that, post-trump, the party realizes that a charismatic person who should have no chance can rise to
leadership?

I am sorry, but the established GOP wants her front row center as a way to garner votes for their own platform.

If they can find a way to make her and a few other extreme socialists appear as the soul of the Democratic Party, they might just expect a gain in their base from these performances.

I do not think the average American is ready to ground all the airline planes in order to build a number of super train bridges across the Atlantic.

I know she is young and has her eyes all full of stars and has been elevated to see the stars even better now, but, expecting us to just print dollars to pay for things? You have to see through this. Stars in her eyes are blinding her to the reality of international politics.

She IS pretty, though.
It is the movement to the extreme left that they are afraid of. At this point, I doubt that many take her seriously.

Since this is the response (although DD had to elucidate it for you), I don't buy it.

The other people the right has regularly held up as this kind of poster child
have always been those that they really had a reason to fear: Pelosi, Mrs. Clinton,
Obama, Bernie when he looked possible....

They left Barbara Lee and the rest of the fringe alone, just as the Dems largely left
the wackier looney tunes of the right alone. Oh sure, there'd be an occasional mocking
piece - but naught more.

I really think they're afraid. That they see which way the country is headed, and
have to try and undermine that.

It's been a long time since there was a real left.

DD did not have to elucidate it for me. What a strange thing to say.

Hillary and Sanders are both spent forces. Not to say they don't have any power or any base, but they are going not going to be able to have another crack.

Warren has fucked up too much with her Native American claims and won't be able to disassociate  herself from that.

Biden polls great but has been captured on film fondling, kissing, smelling hair and creepily pressing his head into women and girls. He is a creep and pervert.

Which about this time left Kamala Harris who is all the things the Dems need but for a number of reasons (fair and not fair) just is not THAT popular.

Democrats should try to find and elevate a relative scandal free smart less known in their ranks like Nina Turner or Tammy Duckworth or perhaps the better known Tulsi Gabbard, and throw the full weight and support behind them or try to raise the standing and popularity of Kamala. Attempts this far with Kamala have not worked.

[Calandale]

The point of showing Clinton and Sanders was that both parties only do this
to people they fear.

As to the other side, Harris comes the closest to someone I wouldn't support
in a normal election cycle. I'm not sure about Gabbard - haven't paid much attention
to her.

The best shot, I think, is Sherrod Brown. He can turn the midwest, and probably even
Ohio, back into almost assured Dem votes. I doubt he can get the nomination though.

[odeon]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

Do you think that he actually wants a deal on the wall? Or does the ongoing focus and drama, about something so fucking pointless and stupid, serve his purposes far more than any deal could?

I think his mind is now stuck on the wall but according to some people, it started out as a mnemonic during the campaign.

I doubt it actually matters to him. It's a way to feed his base, just like "lock her up".

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

AOC is far from clueless, but she does have a bit to learn. Trump really is clueless BUT he knows how to make deals and put all sorts of spins on things.

Actually he sucks on both counts. He was unable to close a deal with the Congress - repeatedly - and couldn't even shut up about his "emergency" on camera. He's a 72-yo orange baby throwing a tantrum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/15/subvert-constitution-trumps-remarks-obamas-executive-actions-show-hypocrisy-critics-say

Do you think that he actually wants a deal on the wall? Or does the ongoing focus and drama, about something so fucking pointless and stupid, serve his purposes far more than any deal could?

I think his mind is now stuck on the wall but according to some people, it started out as a mnemonic during the campaign.

I doubt it actually matters to him. It's a way to feed his base, just like "lock her up".

He's definitely going to try to build it. But I think he has exactly what he wants. He wanted to be seen to be fighting for a wall to keep his redneck fanbase safe, which is why he waited until the Dems had the numbers to stop him. And then he made sure there was no deal, so he would need to use his Presidential powers. This is a defining moment for him. He isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but like a lot of narcissists he can find ways to turn these sort of situations to his own advantage.

The reality is that immigration into the US is running at record levels, there are more than a million legal migrants per year. Even if 20,000 manage to get in (they won't, wall or not) it's just a drop in the bucket. This has nothing to do with keeping the border safe.

[odeon]

Oh yes, he's stuck on it now, but I still doubt it actually matters to him.

[Al Swearegen]

You two nincompoops are hilarious.

He has been talking about doing this since Day one when he said he would run for President. He has said why. He has sought opinions as to what kind of barrier works best. He has gone to shutdown over it. He has called National Emergency over it.

Now you two:

"Derp....I think he wants to build it?"

"Derp....No he is just going to do it for shits and giggles"

"Derp.....He does not care about it"

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Al, you should apply for the role of Trump's next press secretary. You'd be great at it. You are both drama llamas. Are you orange?

Of course reading comprehension is not a prerequisite for the role. He wants the wall. It was a deal that he didn't want. It suits him best for it to be the maximum drama and distraction.