Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".

[odeon]

Al's got a point Odeon. All you are doing is spouting the opinion of all those scientists on global warming and climate change. What would they know? Fake news, that's what it is. Better to base your opinion of global warming and climate change on what the Cheetoh In Chief says about it. He's smart.

Odeon is not spouting that at all.

Odeon IS deflecting when I put his broad statements under a microscope.

Nothing on what I said would be argued by any scientist. Their models have NOT worked. They have not worked for the reasons I have said. The only contentious point is the degree than man affects the climate around him and how much management would help and in what form it would take to make a meaningful effect.
Scientists will make educated guesses as to this. They will try to model predictions and these invariably fail.
I think man affects the climate and so does Odeon and so do the scientists. Odeon does not know how much and neither do I. I do not pretend I know more than I do here. Odeon does pretend more than he knows.
Odeon pretends that he has the knowledge of the international scientific community and he does not. He also believes that they are all of one mind and arrive at the same conclusions as to the effects, and they don't.
He does not have the intellectual fortitude to admit that teh most he knows is that man has some effect on his climate. That is it.

But you do pretend. You're claiming you know what I think.

I am quite aware you don't  think

[Yuri Bezmenov]

The Senate voted on the GND, it failed 0-57.   

All republicans and 4 Democrats who still had a shred of common sense left, voted against it.

All other Democrats voted "present".

https://reason.com/blog/2019/03/27/green-new-deal-senate-vote

EDIT:

Senator Mike Lee's trolling of the GND is hilariously EPIC!!

[odeon]

I'm not surprised, considering all the scaremongering.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I'm not surprised, considering all the scaremongering.

No "scaremongering" necessary. It was the framework for a massive socialist utopian power grab.

Only Ivory Tower, echo-chamber dimwits like you fall for crap like this.   

[odeon]

"They'll ban cars."
"They'll ban airplanes."
"They'll ban cows."

I know you're a moron but I would have thought you capable of seeing past this sort of thing. But I guess not.

What's YOUR solution to the problems the Green New Deal addresses? Don't be shy, Scrappy. Let's hear it. Tell us. I know, the greatest thing about being 'merican is your precious truck, but surely, on some level, you recognise there is a problem with that beyond the fact that it was a moronic statement forcing you to move the goalposts once again.

[Jack]

The author of the article Scrap posted is correct. It was a political stunt, never intended to receive any favorable votes.

[odeon]

I disagree.

[Jack]

I disagree.

Why is that? It was a resolution proposed to congress by the republican senate leader, and not one person voted for it, not even him. If one supports something and then offered to have it, but in such an unrealistic extreme to be impossible to support, it's easy to say they don't really want or support it. It was intended to be divisive to the democratic party. It was in fact a stunt, recognized as such, and all the present votes were a unified protest vote.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

It was, and remains, a vision that your country wasn't ready for.

Maybe when it's already too late people will start to see the value in these ideas.

[odeon]

I disagree.

Why is that? It was a resolution proposed to congress by the republican senate leader, and not one person voted for it, not even him. If one supports something and then offered to have it, but in such an unrealistic extreme to be impossible to support, it's easy to say they don't really want or support it. It was intended to be divisive to the democratic party. It was in fact a stunt, recognized as such, and all the present votes were a unified protest vote.

It's the only idea that actually attempts to address the problems you have. The numbers mean that the country isn't ready for it, just as MoSW says, but the fact remains that there are no competing proposals. They voted down

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

[Calandale]

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

Of course it's real. The problem is that the 'solutions' aren't. Not taking human nature into account.

There's one thing that can reverse this in time, and it ain't pretty - pumping aerosols into the atmosphere,
and taking our cancer dose as a side effect.

[Jack]

I disagree.

Why is that? It was a resolution proposed to congress by the republican senate leader, and not one person voted for it, not even him. If one supports something and then offered to have it, but in such an unrealistic extreme to be impossible to support, it's easy to say they don't really want or support it. It was intended to be divisive to the democratic party. It was in fact a stunt, recognized as such, and all the present votes were a unified protest vote.

It's the only idea that actually attempts to address the problems you have. The numbers mean that the country isn't ready for it, just as MoSW says, but the fact remains that there are no competing proposals. They voted down

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

She does have a dream, but it's an immature daydream which has opened herself, her party, and the entire cause of combatting global warming to mockery. If nothing else, the democratic party has a lot of pressure now to do better than her.

[odeon]

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

Of course it's real. The problem is that the 'solutions' aren't. Not taking human nature into account.

There's one thing that can reverse this in time, and it ain't pretty - pumping aerosols into the atmosphere,
and taking our cancer dose as a side effect.

A couple of tactical nukes and a nuclear winter would work, too.

All in all, I prefer AOC's suggestions.

[odeon]

I disagree.

Why is that? It was a resolution proposed to congress by the republican senate leader, and not one person voted for it, not even him. If one supports something and then offered to have it, but in such an unrealistic extreme to be impossible to support, it's easy to say they don't really want or support it. It was intended to be divisive to the democratic party. It was in fact a stunt, recognized as such, and all the present votes were a unified protest vote.

It's the only idea that actually attempts to address the problems you have. The numbers mean that the country isn't ready for it, just as MoSW says, but the fact remains that there are no competing proposals. They voted down

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

She does have a dream, but it's an immature daydream which has opened herself, her party, and the entire cause of combatting global warming to mockery. If nothing else, the democratic party has a lot of pressure now to do better than her.

The way I see it, if even small parts of that dream are implemented, we're all better off. The alternative is - wait, there is none. *Nobody's* come up with anything, unless you count the Trump administration wanting to drill for oil in areas banned by the Obama administration.

It's drastic, sure, but not immature. If anything, it's far more mature than the spite from her opponents because it tries to solve the problem rather than ignore it.

[Calandale]

Climate change is real. I admire AOC for trying to do something about the problem instead of spending her time bitching about her opponents.

Of course it's real. The problem is that the 'solutions' aren't. Not taking human nature into account.

There's one thing that can reverse this in time, and it ain't pretty - pumping aerosols into the atmosphere,
and taking our cancer dose as a side effect.

A couple of tactical nukes and a nuclear winter would work, too.

All in all, I prefer AOC's suggestions.

ones which are little better than continuing the course. Once the methane deposits start to go, it's game over.