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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #105 on: March 05, 2019, 02:08:35 AM »
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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #107 on: March 05, 2019, 11:56:18 AM »


Now, I know your hero's idea of fixing things is raking the forests....


Hey, he got that from y'all.  :tard:

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #108 on: March 05, 2019, 08:25:49 PM »
Some of her ideas need work...but I'll admit I'm enjoying AOC.

I've watched Trump tweet up a storm and stir shit up since his inauguration...people are on edge and upset. His pets are so far up his ass they can't see daylight and just nod their head yes on cue.

It's nice to see someone young put all those uptight old farts panties in a wad for awhile.

She's sharp, she has ideas...and whether they're well planned out or not she's not afraid to put them on the table and talk about them...which is more than I see anyone else doing.

...and being a woman, that alone seems to make a few squirm and makes for some quality viewing. :laugh:

I'm hoping she might become quite a force to be reckoned with as the years go by.

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2019, 09:06:59 PM »

I do not want to live in a modernistic version of a socialist country, with taxation much beyond where we are now. I agree with much of what she wants to see happen, but for right now, she needs a handler of some sort to keep her from looking like an idiot most of the time.

I would support a much higher tax on personal spending if the income tax stays about where it is. Those who buy big, pay the way for that continuing privilege.
Those who live conservatively are not hindered for being frugal.

It is a very simple concept.
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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2019, 03:35:37 AM »
Some of her ideas need work...but I'll admit I'm enjoying AOC.

I've watched Trump tweet up a storm and stir shit up since his inauguration...people are on edge and upset. His pets are so far up his ass they can't see daylight and just nod their head yes on cue.

It's nice to see someone young put all those uptight old farts panties in a wad for awhile.

She's sharp, she has ideas...and whether they're well planned out or not she's not afraid to put them on the table and talk about them...which is more than I see anyone else doing.

...and being a woman, that alone seems to make a few squirm and makes for some quality viewing. :laugh:

I'm hoping she might become quite a force to be reckoned with as the years go by.

Why do you imagine anyone gives a shit whether or not she has a vagina.

Her unworkable ideas and stupidity and hypocisies and PAC violations is entertainment. Why would old farts be unduly concerned about her.

Let the Democrats say weird unworkable shit and fall over each other, why would that be a concern to anyone?

Try making sense
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #111 on: March 06, 2019, 07:02:36 AM »
Are you familiar with the Paris accord? The one that your hero left? Have you followed the news at all lately? Have you noticed the reports of increasingly extreme weather around the globe this year and the last?

Now, I know your hero's idea of fixing things is raking the forests while appointing a fake climate change panel, but most sensible people think this is not enough. Don't make yourself even more of a joke by pulling another closet climate denial
stunt here.

Well aren't you perfectly ridiculous? Yes I know about the Paris Accord and I know Trump left that. You do not know what "most sensible people think", you may pretend you are in tune with all sensible people but you do not know them or what they think. It is Narcissism at the least to pretend otherwise.

That out of the way, let's go back to my quite reasonable questions I posed to you.

The fact is that there's now precious little time to solve those issues.

Based on what working model are you referencing this to?
Which Climate change modeling has worked thus far?

The answer, if you wish to be honest about it is,

"You don't have one. Not really. You have predictions but then predictions have been consistently wrong and there is a pretty good reason for it. There are many, many elements in ANY Climate Change/Global Warming predictions and if you look at the working models of this and see them failing, you can either think it is because the ideology behind it is flawed, or you can see that this was just bad luck and the next proof is around the corner, OR you can do what I do and say with any model with so many moving parts, then over the short terms there will be so many unpredictable variations in so many aspects that there will be some small differences to the predictions on the ultimately unpredictable model BUT over the long term these difference will ALL be exaggerated. It does not mean that there is NO merit to ANYTHING in the predictions or assumptions that underpin them EVEN IF they end up ultimately being wrong. But clearly the extent of these assumptions and predictions is FAR from clear and on solid ground because otherwise the models would be right....and clearly none of them are."

So what does this really mean?

It means that dickheads like you are stupid and dishonest enough to cling to, not working models or proven claims or anything of any intellectual truth but rather on a smug sense of intellectual and moral superiority and a belief that you are in a crowded rooms of fellow virtuous intellectuals and are patting each other on the backs.

The truth, of course is that you are far from intellectual or moral and deep down you probably know it. You conflate two ideas inextricably because you do not have the the capacity to critique them independently. You can't hold two ideas in your head at the same time. You are an idiot.   
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #112 on: March 06, 2019, 07:30:53 AM »
Some of her ideas need work...but I'll admit I'm enjoying AOC.

I've watched Trump tweet up a storm and stir shit up since his inauguration...people are on edge and upset. His pets are so far up his ass they can't see daylight and just nod their head yes on cue.

It's nice to see someone young put all those uptight old farts panties in a wad for awhile.

She's sharp, she has ideas...and whether they're well planned out or not she's not afraid to put them on the table and talk about them...which is more than I see anyone else doing.

...and being a woman, that alone seems to make a few squirm and makes for some quality viewing. :laugh:

I'm hoping she might become quite a force to be reckoned with as the years go by.

Why do you imagine anyone gives a shit whether or not she has a vagina.

Her unworkable ideas and stupidity and hypocisies and PAC violations is entertainment. Why would old farts be unduly concerned about her.

Let the Democrats say weird unworkable shit and fall over each other, why would that be a concern to anyone?

Try making sense

They seemed to spend an inappropriate amount on time passing judgement on some dancing she did in college, why she isn't married, and how she should shut up.

I really doubt they would waste so much time on shit that doesn't matter if she didn't have a vagina.

Try making some sense yourself sometime.


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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #113 on: March 06, 2019, 10:03:26 AM »
Are you familiar with the Paris accord? The one that your hero left? Have you followed the news at all lately? Have you noticed the reports of increasingly extreme weather around the globe this year and the last?

Now, I know your hero's idea of fixing things is raking the forests while appointing a fake climate change panel, but most sensible people think this is not enough. Don't make yourself even more of a joke by pulling another closet climate denial
stunt here.

Well aren't you perfectly ridiculous? Yes I know about the Paris Accord and I know Trump left that. You do not know what "most sensible people think", you may pretend you are in tune with all sensible people but you do not know them or what they think. It is Narcissism at the least to pretend otherwise.

That out of the way, let's go back to my quite reasonable questions I posed to you.

The fact is that there's now precious little time to solve those issues.

Based on what working model are you referencing this to?
Which Climate change modeling has worked thus far?

The answer, if you wish to be honest about it is,

"You don't have one. Not really. You have predictions but then predictions have been consistently wrong and there is a pretty good reason for it. There are many, many elements in ANY Climate Change/Global Warming predictions and if you look at the working models of this and see them failing, you can either think it is because the ideology behind it is flawed, or you can see that this was just bad luck and the next proof is around the corner, OR you can do what I do and say with any model with so many moving parts, then over the short terms there will be so many unpredictable variations in so many aspects that there will be some small differences to the predictions on the ultimately unpredictable model BUT over the long term these difference will ALL be exaggerated. It does not mean that there is NO merit to ANYTHING in the predictions or assumptions that underpin them EVEN IF they end up ultimately being wrong. But clearly the extent of these assumptions and predictions is FAR from clear and on solid ground because otherwise the models would be right....and clearly none of them are."

So what does this really mean?

It means that dickheads like you are stupid and dishonest enough to cling to, not working models or proven claims or anything of any intellectual truth but rather on a smug sense of intellectual and moral superiority and a belief that you are in a crowded rooms of fellow virtuous intellectuals and are patting each other on the backs.

The truth, of course is that you are far from intellectual or moral and deep down you probably know it. You conflate two ideas inextricably because you do not have the the capacity to critique them independently. You can't hold two ideas in your head at the same time. You are an idiot.

Sorry, I couldn't be arsed to read this, but I'm sure you made a fool of yourself again.
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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »
Have not made a fool of myself the first time
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

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Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2019, 04:35:03 PM »
Yeah, right. Like you would admit it.
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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2019, 04:53:33 PM »
Yeah, right. Like you would admit it.

Yes there is a great position Odeon. If i have not made a fool of myself (as i haven't) then i would say i haven't made a fool of myself. You say if i did then i would not admit it.

You seek refuge behind positions that are unquantifiable, unqualifiable and unfalsiable. No, intellectual honesty. Going for a heads i win, tails you lose.

You are weak and that is why you can't think through things that you spout others opinions on, like Climate Change/Global Warming
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2019, 05:24:41 PM »
HRC didn't scare the establishment. Nor did Obama.

Trump obviously scared the sh1t out of the establishment for a while there. But he has settled into being an endless source of drama, distraction, and mindless drivel. And easily led where the establishment wants him to go.

AOC clearly scares the bejeezus out of the establishment. She just might take things in a new direction and people might start to like it. We already saw with Trump that no matter how much his ideas were attacked, how unworkable his ideas sounded, no matter how bad the headlines were, no matter how many people on both sides of politics said DON'T VOTE FOR THE ORANGE GUY.... people still bought the dream.

People just aren't buying that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" schtick like they used to.
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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2019, 05:25:58 PM »

I do not want to live in a modernistic version of a socialist country, with taxation much beyond where we are now.

You mean like we were in the 50s and 60s?




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I would support a much higher tax on personal spending if the income tax stays about where it is. Those who buy big, pay the way for that continuing privilege.

The problem really isn't income tax. It's capital gains which needs to be raised.
The preferential rate for non-earned income is what has turned us back into an oligarchy.


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Re: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex and the "Green New Deal".
« Reply #119 on: March 07, 2019, 12:42:29 AM »
Yeah, right. Like you would admit it.

Yes there is a great position Odeon. If i have not made a fool of myself (as i haven't) then i would say i haven't made a fool of myself. You say if i did then i would not admit it.

You seek refuge behind positions that are unquantifiable, unqualifiable and unfalsiable. No, intellectual honesty. Going for a heads i win, tails you lose.

You are weak and that is why you can't think through things that you spout others opinions on, like Climate Change/Global Warming

See how you did it again.
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