2018 in a nutsack.

[Bastet]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.

This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?

Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.

I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.

Y'know, I'd be in favor of amending things to state that. Though I'd stick a "within reason" on the end, a nice big wide open door for interpretation.

No child porn, no pissing off the host server.

[Calandale]

Pot, meet kettle.

This is the only kind of discussion you're capable of, it's how you ruined the democracy experiment. I had hoped you'd calmed down after all these years, but no such luck.

What else can I do? I'm bothered by your unwillingness to just admit you're a petty tyrant,
nor to give one reason to support why you think you aren't. So long as you act like you're
in denial, yet cannot defend your actions, I feel compelled to keep pointing it out.

I can accept that Dunc decided he was indeed a tyrant. What more can be done once someone
is at peace with their own self in such a way? But, instead of defending your decisions, just fucking
own that you are, do what you want, and see what happens.

I think we both suspect that most of the folk here would leave. That somehow, your pretense
by not admitting what you are, is sufficient fig leaf for them as well.

So yes. I point the truth. But no, not a pot/kettle thing. Which if you had any honesty, you would see.

[Calandale]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.

This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?

The great corruption - that for most, the ends justify the means.

Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.

I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.

Y'know, I'd be in favor of amending things to state that. Though I'd stick a "within reason" on the end, a nice big wide open door for interpretation.

Where does the 'within reason' apply?

Because, from what I see, it's: Free Speech (within reason) zone - unless it hurts the webmonkey's feewings.

[Calandale]

No child porn, no pissing off the host server.

I see you agree. Those are what everyone more or less assumes as the limits to free speech here.
The stuff that's been mostly clearly stated.

There seems to be no boundaries on what Odeon might do in his tantrums.

[Bastet]

No child porn, no pissing off the host server.

I see you agree. Those are what everyone more or less assumes as the limits to free speech here.
The stuff that's been mostly clearly stated.

There seems to be no boundaries on what Odeon might do in his tantrums.

I noticed around the time he was taking sides against me, the search function wouldn’t work. He was siding with Zegh and accused me of bullying him despite Zegh’s bullying me. Also, Zegh has bragged about trolling a 17 year old he deemed inferior to himself while insulting me unprovoked. He has told Al Swearingen to “leave the kids alone” despite being the same age as him. The man is truly delusional. He proceeded to use ugly snark, told me on chat “ get a job, Mexican” when I told him “get a job, hippie”. Hykeaswell implied “ I didn’t see it, so it didn’t happened”, implied a lot of ignorant things. I was stressed and angry. I have ptsd and he couldn’t stop nitpicking like a child. I am owed multiple apologies.

Big double standard. Odeon knows full well and continues to lie. I no longer give a shit.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members. Some members have revealed that they have done things which society finds abhorrent.

Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing. If I say "Calandale is John McGregor" then I'm effectively making public any information that is on this site that you have revealed about yourself under the pseudonym "Calandale".,

Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.

As for Odeon's sins and whether other members have chosen to forget or to forgive those sins, you seem to be stuck on some kind of ideological purity about the "rules" or free speech or whatever. Okay, Odeon broke the spirit of the site and used the admin buttons on people who went to great lengths to get under his skin, and eventually succeeded. And now they're butthurt. Look, I feel your butthurt, I cry myself to sleep over your plight. But really, I don't give a flying fuck. Is he a petty tyrant or is he someone who let halfwits get under his skin? Those same halfwits have gotten under the skin of more than just Odeon, with a variety of outcomes.

[Bastet]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.

Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.

The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.

Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.

The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.

My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.

That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.

[Bastet]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.

Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.

The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.

My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.

That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.

“Not ok” doesn’t equate to d0xxing. If I posted someone phone number and social security number, I’d be in a lot of hot water.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Considering that my identity on here is "Minister Of Silly Walks", my real-life name IS personal information about me that I don't want revealed here.

Doxing = revealing personal information online.

[Calandale]

I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.

... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.

It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.

Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.

*groan*

These are not my rules.

Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.

Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.

The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members. Some members have revealed that they have done things which society finds abhorrent.

Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing. If I say "Calandale is John McGregor" then I'm effectively making public any information that is on this site that you have revealed about yourself under the pseudonym "Calandale".,

Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.

It's not pedantry, if people commit the act because the word is being used in a manner
which is non-standard. That makes the problem more likely to occur, whether or not someone
is held accountable for it.

As for Odeon's sins and whether other members have chosen to forget or to forgive those sins, you seem to be stuck on some kind of ideological purity about the "rules" or free speech or whatever. Okay, Odeon broke the spirit of the site and used the admin buttons on people who went to great lengths to get under his skin, and eventually succeeded. And now they're butthurt. Look, I feel your butthurt, I cry myself to sleep over your plight. But really, I don't give a flying fuck. Is he a petty tyrant or is he someone who let halfwits get under his skin? Those same halfwits have gotten under the skin of more than just Odeon, with a variety of outcomes.

Chicken and egg. And you've got the order wrong. It was administrative abuse which started this cycle.
Not some petty pranks - which some even ran for admin status on (even outside of the broader democracy
there were elected admins for some time) - but rather in order to silence unwanted voices; not voices
attacking him, but ones discussing the management of the site.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".

It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".

It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.

[odeon]

It's what he does.

Getting fairly sick of it, me.

[Calandale]

If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".

It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".

It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.

As I stated, if there are effects, it ain't pointless, it ain't pedantry, and something should be changed
so that the staff stops confusing people with the misuse.

And there ARE effects. The simple fact that there are people in this thread who know it's
not the standard definition of doxing means that others will likely also be confused who aren't
already engaged in this conversation.

[Calandale]

It's what he does.

Getting fairly sick of it, me.

Shut up tyrant