Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.

[benjimanbreeg]

Oh, and Benji, did you imply that Assad's use of chemical weapons is somehow justifiable if the targets aren't civilians? Please explain.

He had no motive to kill civilians with gas.  The claims that 'he's killing his own people' are just recycled lies that were used in Iraq and Libya.  He gave up his chemical weapons.  The main attack in 2013 was carried out by the FSA who got the chemicals from Turkey.  They were on video boasting about their supplies at the end of 2012, singing Jihad and killing a rabbit and a hare.  Then Obama said about the red lines after the Jihadists had carried out 2 attacks and on the day the weapons inspectors were in town an attack was launched.  Turkey actually caught them and this was posted in an Irish newspaper.  The attack was blamed on Assad but after an OPCW investigation they said they couldn't say it was Assad as there was no chain of custody.  They then blamed the 2017 attack on Assad without a chain of custody.  This year they went in independently and found no evidence of a nerve agent attack.  Robert Fisk debunked the claims and other journalists interviewed alleged victims and people in the area.  There was no attack this year.

The WHO and quite a few others disagree with Fisk, to say the least, and they have the evidence to support their claims. I assume this is another one of your conspiracy theories.

There's no evidence.  There was no attack.  A video by Jihadists in white helmets is not evidence.  The investigation by the OPCW found zero evidence of a nerve agent attack. 

Anyone who thinks Assad would do the one thing that could get the West to bomb him as he's just about to clear up one of the last parts of Syria and win the war is beyond naive and stupid.

[benjimanbreeg]

We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.

Not according to the article I posted to you.  The findings may never be made public.  You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years.  It's stale.  You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence.  Just admit you were wrong.

 

I guess that's why Flynn, Cohen et al are accepting plea deals. Because of zero evidence.

The investigation is one of those rare gifts that keep on giving. Who says there can only be a single popcorn & beer session?

Zero to do with 'collusion'.  Flynn case is Israel gate.  He was speaking to Russia among other countries on behalf of Israel to try and get them to vote against the UN resolution regarding illegal settlements in Palestine.

[Al Swearegen]

We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.

Not according to the article I posted to you.  The findings may never be made public.  You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years.  It's stale.  You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence.  Just admit you were wrong.

 

I guess that's why Flynn, Cohen et al are accepting plea deals. Because of zero evidence.

The investigation is one of those rare gifts that keep on giving. Who says there can only be a single popcorn & beer session?

Yes.

Cohen is a serial liar and prepared to say anythingto save his own skin. He will compose any tune he gets asked to.

Flynn is a diffetent beast. Flynn is helping with investigations with Mueller and Huber. Not all Muellers investigations point to the Trump Administration. Some point to such people as Tony Podesta.

[Al Swearegen]

Early Christmas present for Putin.

Money well spent.

Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory.  If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just    There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money. 

But just prepare to look very silly

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.

Deflecting.  You say that about everyone.  I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.

Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.

The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.

I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.

Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.

To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.

Show us "most likely".
It is an extraordinarily big claim and you make it based on fuck all. But the logical leap is "therefore Trump is beholden to and used by Putin and the Kremlin".

This is the same Putin he sanctioned, removed Russian diplomats from, lambasted the Europeans for having side deals between NATO and EU, that he armedUkrainians against, that he strengthen NATO obligations and responsibilities for and who's ally he bombed.......that Putin?

Big claims demand big evidence
Extraordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence.

What evidence do you have Odeon?

[Calandale]

Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.

[benjimanbreeg]

Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.

What have I said that is incorrect.  Please make a list. 

[Jesse]

Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up

I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.


Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. 

[Calandale]

Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.

What have I said that is incorrect.  Please make a list.

If you can ignore what's been clear to everyone - even the usually intransigents here - I'm pretty sure it won't help.

Man though...how the fuck you stay outta a mental hospital? Oh yeah, they closed them all down.
Guess that explains why shit like inforwars is out there.

[Al Swearegen]

Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up

I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.


Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. 

"No more" or "defeated", they are not mutually exclusive. What do you mean? You arent pretending that defeat means exterminate are you?

It was accepted knowledge on both sides of the aisle that ISIS had been reduced to a shadow of its former self.

Now with Mattis resigning and Trump pulling out of Syria everyone is pretending his war against ISIS was negligible. Fake news that only the ignorant or stupid believe.

Make a case by all means that  even at their drastically reduced numbers, they are a threat that the Russians and Kurds cant handle. Make a case that their recruiting efforts are somehow depleting their ranks quickly. Make a reasoned case but dont regurgitate stupid fake media talking points.

[odeon]

Early Christmas present for Putin.

Money well spent.

Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory.  If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just    There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money. 

But just prepare to look very silly

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.

Deflecting.  You say that about everyone.  I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.

Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.

The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.

I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.

Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.

To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.

Show us "most likely".
It is an extraordinarily big claim and you make it based on fuck all. But the logical leap is "therefore Trump is beholden to and used by Putin and the Kremlin".

This is the same Putin he sanctioned, removed Russian diplomats from, lambasted the Europeans for having side deals between NATO and EU, that he armedUkrainians against, that he strengthen NATO obligations and responsibilities for and who's ally he bombed.......that Putin?

Big claims demand big evidence
Extraordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence.

What evidence do you have Odeon?

Al, it's not me carrying out the investigation. You do know that, right? I'm simply enjoying the show.

What's so special with this particular show is that Russia's involvement is only part of it. There's so much more because this president is so crooked that Nixon looks like a choir boy in comparison. I'm guessing that some of Trump's lesser crimes pop up more or less by accident, because that's how bad he is at this, that's how bad his minions are at this. You only need to look at Giuliani to know I'm right - remember, this guy still works for Trump.

Speaking of lawyers, I love it how Trump fans are now desperate to characterise Cohen as a pathological liar, don't you? As if Mueller was so new and so naive at his job that he wouldn't have anything to back up Cohen's stories with, that he'd go with one guy's pleas and release him to the courts so early on.

I think Bob Woodward released his book on Trump so early because he knows there's going to be a sequel.

[benjimanbreeg]

Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up

I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.


Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. 

That's odd.  Because some of the voices criticising Trump were saying how could Trump stab the Kurds in the back after they helped you DEFEAT ISIS. 

[benjimanbreeg]

Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.

What have I said that is incorrect.  Please make a list.

If you can ignore what's been clear to everyone - even the usually intransigents here - I'm pretty sure it won't help.

Man though...how the fuck you stay outta a mental hospital? Oh yeah, they closed them all down.
Guess that explains why shit like inforwars is out there.

Ignore what?  See you can't even name anything you moron.

Alex Jones is a snake oil salesman.  He said a prayer for Netanyahu last Christmas.  You're probably too dumb and ignorant to explain anything to.

[benjimanbreeg]

The crooked Mueller investigation was meant to be about 'collusion' with Russia.  There's not a shred of evidence for that.  It was never meant to be about giving money to a prostitute. 

Ray McGovern has been debunking the whole sham as it's gone along.

[odeon]

People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.

But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.

[benjimanbreeg]

People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.

But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.

Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was.  He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war.  In reality he includes information that they don't like.  The intelligence agencies lie about everything. 

Politics is full of corruption.  Trump and the Kushner family especially.  Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted.  The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything.  Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq.  When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.