Liberal/Conservative areas

[Tequila]

We have the communists setting up turn-up cafés in the North West, implying that punters can have sex with the women there. They have already been shut down in some places, including in famously left-wing Liverpool.

[Walkie]

What you mean is that they're socialist craphouses, with people that don't rexpect other people and their property.

I think you're referring to places where a signifiant minority of the population have been ground so far  into the dirt that  they find no purpose in life beyond making life even more miserable for the majority (who just had the  luck to land in the dirt, but have not as yet been ground into it)

As for socialists, most of the socialists that i know actually have property (if owning your own home counts?) , all of them respect other people's property (except insofar as big industry, for example,  is somebody's property).  The main difference is that they  don't  feel smug about their relative good fortune, nor measure a man's worth by his bank balance, so they will  regard a guy who lives in a Council bedsit as their  equal.

Still can't decide if you really are obnoxious , or just enjoy  making obnoxious comments

Why should it be OK to disrespect private property just because they have a bit of money?

I think you misunderstood my little caveat in brackets?

by that, I meant that you can't seriously expect a socialist to respect a billionaire's "right" to own the land that other people live on, and to own other people's  means of making a living . nor can you expect a socialistist to respect the billionaire's  concommitant "'right" to treat other people as disposable economic units , to be fucked around with in  the name of profit.

Still, that said, the issue is  just with that abstract right to ownership. No reason why not treat the property itself with respect. Indeed, socialistst in general and the lower classes in general tend to treat goods and chattels with far more respect than the owner does, being far more aware of the actual value of the things.

Mindless vandalism is only committted by people who are, in one way or another, broken . And theft is mostly commited by desperate people and by psycopaths. There are plenty of desperate people living in the Uk (not to mention the rest of the world)  today, and plenty of psycopaths in charge of things, therefore plenty of theft . But socialists don''t condone theft, nor do socialists create those conditiions; but  rather they hope to fix those conditions.

[Tequila]

My mum grew up with fuck all. It didn't turn her into a thief.

About me - if you knew...

[Walkie]

You don't treat me as your equal. You're bitter and resentful.

I just tried very hard to think of somebody who could ever have realistically levelled that charge against me. I eventually came up with just one one possibilty (my ex-landlady) but I'm pretty damned sure that she wouldn't be hanging around on a spazz forum , calling herseld Teqila  . And it would mostly be projection on her part anyway.

Why do you talk as if we even know each other? All I know of you is what you say here, and I take nearly all of that with a ton of salt

[Walkie]

My mum grew up with fuck all. It didn't turn her into a thief.

could say the exact same thing about my Mum. Where did I say that all poor people are desperate? and that all desperate people turn to theft? just that there's an undeniable correllation between these things; and that the notion that people  live in squalid conditions  because they're contemptible people is a totally nuts way of explaining that correlation.  It's a lot like that Nazi propaganda that said Jews were dirty people who carried nasty diseases, whilst squashing them into ghettos with such poor sanitation that it  turned into a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Your average German citizen was dumb enough to fall for that sort of "logic"", and - surprise , surprise, so are a lot of comfortably-off people (and even some of the poor people too) today.  In the UK, the Tory party has sucessfully demonised the poor, using similar rhetorical tricks and propaganda. So, naturally, whenever  you throw little  bits of that toxic propanda into this forum as mindless  little sound-bites, it gets right up my nose; and i  sincerely hope you're just trolling when you do that.

About me - if you knew...

Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd much sooner know about you than about your (mostly obnoxious) opinions and your (presumably empty) boasts. But you're not giving us the chance to know about you, are you? (not that I altogether blame you for that  This is not the best place for exposing your vulnerability, is it?)

[Tequila]

Most Jews in this country who vote are Tory voters, even without Corbyn being there.

The dehumanisation of Tory voters by the left is well-known.

[Tequila]

My mum grew up with fuck all. It didn't turn her into a thief.

could say the exact same thing about my Mum. Where did I say that all poor people are desperate? and that all desperate people turn to theft? just that there's an undeniable correllation between these things; and that the notion that people  live in squalid conditions  because they're contemptible people is a totally nuts way of explaining that correlation.  It's a lot like that Nazi propaganda that said Jews were dirty people who carried nasty diseases, whilst squashing them into ghettos with such poor sanitation that it  turned into a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Your average German citizen was dumb enough to fall for that sort of "logic"", and - surprise , surprise, so are a lot of comfortably-off people (and even some of the poor people too) today.  In the UK, the Tory party has sucessfully demonised the poor, using similar rhetorical tricks and propaganda. So, naturally, whenever  you throw little  bits of that toxic propanda into this forum as mindless  little sound-bites, it gets right up my nose; and i  sincerely hope you're just trolling when you do that.

About me - if you knew...

Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd much sooner know about you than about your (mostly obnoxious) opinions and your (presumably empty) boasts. But you're not giving us the chance to know about you, are you? (not that I altogether blame you for that  This is not the best place for exposing your vulnerability, is it?)

You're a supporter of republican extremists. They're helping you write this.

[Walkie]

You're a supporter of republican extremists. They're helping you write this.

QFT...  or should I say QFL ? or even QF non compos mentis ad absurdum

[odeon]

You're jumping to conclusions by mixing hypotheticals with politically motivated stupidity by an idiot.

He's spoken at communist meetings before today and supported the USSR during the Cold War.

You'll eat that.

I don't think you have enough experience of the various kinds of socialism to form a relevant opinion here. Sorry. I can see how you become vulnerable to the kind of bs that populists harvest naive voters with.

Socialism is really about taking things away from people that aren't theirs. Some state intervention is necessary for a functioning state, and I like things like a national health system and a welfare state, which were inventions of the Liberals in this country, not Labour. Labour took the credit. But I am mostly for minimal regulation and low taxation.

I can only refer you to what I wrote.

[Tequila]

You're jumping to conclusions by mixing hypotheticals with politically motivated stupidity by an idiot.

He's spoken at communist meetings before today and supported the USSR during the Cold War.

You'll eat that.

I don't think you have enough experience of the various kinds of socialism to form a relevant opinion here. Sorry. I can see how you become vulnerable to the kind of bs that populists harvest naive voters with.

Socialism is really about taking things away from people that aren't theirs. Some state intervention is necessary for a functioning state, and I like things like a national health system and a welfare state, which were inventions of the Liberals in this country, not Labour. Labour took the credit. But I am mostly for minimal regulation and low taxation.

I can only refer you to what I wrote.

Give me a socialism I'll like the sound of.

[odeon]

Who said you'd have to like it? I'm saying that people, politicians included, have done lots of things that you wouldn't understand because you obviously have very little practical understanding of what socialism can be like. You simply parrot populist propaganda, and there's no suitable answer to be found there. Try to be a bit more open-minded - don't start by assuming you know best and everyone who disagrees must therefore be wrong.

[Tequila]

Who said you'd have to like it? I'm saying that people, politicians included, have done lots of things that you wouldn't understand because you obviously have very little practical understanding of what socialism can be like. You simply parrot populist propaganda, and there's no suitable answer to be found there. Try to be a bit more open-minded - don't start by assuming you know best and everyone who disagrees must therefore be wrong.

I've given you an open platform for socialism. I'm waiting. The SD are the heirs of Sweden's social democratic heritage. A society like Sweden can only work when the society is relatively homogenous and united.

[odeon]

That's so far off the mark that it's almost funny. Well, actually it's mostly sad. You really have no idea.

[Tequila]

That's really the problem. You can't sell me an ideology I want to buy. You instead want to impose by threats snd violence. Bit like the fascists.

[odeon]

Threats and violence? Seriously? I'm not selling you anything, I'm simply telling you that you're so far off the mark that it hurts.