Student with AS Fatally Stabs Another Student

[McGiver]

Going on a killing spree in a school, shooting everyone in your way, isn't about justice. It's about insanity.

And no, I don't believe in capital punishment, McJ. I don't believe in the eye for an eye kind of "justice".

i have always believed that the holy bible is chock full of common sense in how to live ones life well.

an eye for an eye
and spare the rod and spoil the child are two of the common sense teachings of the holy book.

do unto others, is, the golden rule.

Turn the other cheek?

7 times 77 times, yes.

but when it is incessant, what is a person to do on the 540th time?

[odeon]

I don't believe that Jesus meant it in that way.

[McGiver]

I don't believe that Jesus meant it in that way.

i see.
since you have a direct line?

[odeon]

I don't believe that Jesus meant it in that way.

i see.
since you have a direct line?

No. I wish I had a decent line, but I do believe that was his point when dying for us. Otherwise, he would have had it, about the 540th time or so, instead of stepping up to that cross.

If you have information on how many times one is supposed to turn the other cheek before giving in, however, I'd be more than happy to hear it, preferably with a pointer to the relevant passages.

[McGiver]

I don't believe that Jesus meant it in that way.

i see.
since you have a direct line?

No. I wish I had a decent line, but I do believe that was his point when dying for us. Otherwise, he would have had it, about the 540th time or so, instead of stepping up to that cross.

If you have information on how many times one is supposed to turn the other cheek before giving in, however, I'd be more than happy to hear it, preferably with a pointer to the relevant passages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek

this gives a fairly unbiased argument, since it gives several interpretations.

[odeon]

I was rather hoping for a pointer to the Bible since you said it yourself that the first few times are OK but the 540th is probably not, after previously discussing the advantages of an eye for an eye. You weren't implying a figurative interpretation of the Bible then, as far as I could see.

Didn't Jesus also mention forgiveness when dying on that cross?

Oh, and by the way: When we had a discussion on Islam, many were quick to mention, and condemn, Sharia law. Why is the Old Testament's ideas about an eye for an eye OK when Sharia laws are not?

[McGiver]

that you will have to take up with Litigious.
i am nbever opposed to an eye for an eye.

i do believe in some patience, but every man has his point.

[McGiver]

might i add that during my readings on the subject, i found this quote:

Professional pacifism may be mere cowardice.

[QuirkyCarla]

I was rather hoping for a pointer to the Bible since you said it yourself that the first few times are OK but the 540th is probably not, after previously discussing the advantages of an eye for an eye. You weren't implying a figurative interpretation of the Bible then, as far as I could see.

Didn't Jesus also mention forgiveness when dying on that cross?

Yes, forgiveness is my favorite lesson that Jesus taught. Gotta admit it feels better to forgive people rather than letting the anger of what they did to you dwell inside.

[Randy]

that you will have to take up with Litigious.
i am nbever opposed to an eye for an eye.

i do believe in some patience, but every man has his point.

Yes they do, especially if you ignore them or try and help them.

[SovaNu]

I said fear of god as a figure of speech, like the level of fear that those that have the fear of god in them have.  And he probably did get so pissed people put him over the edge.  Not to insanity, but to a point where he didn't mind that the rest of his life would be ruined, he needed to thrash out.  If you have never experienced anger so intense you actually, for even a moment, say 'fuck the consequences, this mother fucker deserves whats coming to him', you are far from experiencing the heights of human anger.

oh i am no stranger to anger. i spent about half my child and teenhood screaming at the top of my lungs. i've felt blinding anger. i've felt like killing everyone slowly anger. i've felt suicidal anger. rage. but i NEVER ever ever actually wanted to kill someone. in the moment you can be swallowed by the desire to destroy something, but the difference between an insane person and a sane person, is the power to control that desire, and to replace it with love.

sides, they said this was premeditated, which makes it much more than just a fit of anger.

[McGiver]

I was rather hoping for a pointer to the Bible since you said it yourself that the first few times are OK but the 540th is probably not, after previously discussing the advantages of an eye for an eye. You weren't implying a figurative interpretation of the Bible then, as far as I could see.

Didn't Jesus also mention forgiveness when dying on that cross?

Yes, forgiveness is my favorite lesson that Jesus taught. Gotta admit it feels better to forgive people rather than letting the anger of what they did to you dwell inside.

can you honestly say that you have forgiven (let go) of the anger that you endured from YOUR persecutors?

[QuirkyCarla]

yes i can

[Randy]

I was rather hoping for a pointer to the Bible since you said it yourself that the first few times are OK but the 540th is probably not, after previously discussing the advantages of an eye for an eye. You weren't implying a figurative interpretation of the Bible then, as far as I could see.

Didn't Jesus also mention forgiveness when dying on that cross?

Yes, forgiveness is my favorite lesson that Jesus taught. Gotta admit it feels better to forgive people rather than letting the anger of what they did to you dwell inside.

can you honestly say that you have forgiven (let go) of the anger that you endured from YOUR persecutors?

Kind of simple when you think about how people act the way they do for a reason, and its this reason that is your revenge.

[QuirkyCarla]

That's true, flo. They often do it because they have their own issues.