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Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others

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Psychopathic individuals behave in callous and antisocial ways that suggest that these individuals fail to consider what others are thinking (i.e., theory of mind). However, most empirical studies of psychopathy find that, despite their behavior, psychopathic individuals have an intact theory of mind: they successfully predict other’s perspectives. Here, we show that psychopathic individuals have a previously unobserved cognitive deficit that might explain their pattern of destructive and antisocial behavior. We report that psychopathic individuals fail to automatically take the perspective of others, but can deliberately take the perspective of others. These findings suggest that psychopathic individuals have the ability to take the perspective of others but lack the propensity to do so.

Abstract
Psychopathic individuals display a chronic and flagrant disregard for the welfare of others through their callous and manipulative behavior. Historically, this behavior is thought to result from deficits in social-affective processing. However, we show that at least some psychopathic behaviors may be rooted in a cognitive deficit, specifically an inability to automatically take another person’s perspective. Unlike prior studies that rely solely on controlled theory of mind (ToM) tasks, we employ a task that taps into automatic ToM processing. Controlled ToM processes are engaged when an individual intentionally considers the perspective of another person, whereas automatic ToM processes are engaged when an individual unintentionally represents the perspective of another person. In a sample of incarcerated offenders, we find that psychopathic individuals are equally likely to show response interference under conditions of controlled ToM, but lack a common signature of automatic ToM known as altercentric interference. We also demonstrate that the magnitude of this dysfunction in altercentric interference is correlated with real-world callous behaviors (i.e., number of assault charges). These findings suggest that psychopathic individuals have a diminished propensity to automatically think from another’s perspective, which may be the cognitive root of their deficits in social functioning and moral behavior.
...it me  O_o

srsly though, can someone grab the full text?  Lots missing here.  And how is the autism spectrum not mentioned as something to differentiate if they're looking at ToM?
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2018, 02:30:24 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2018, 02:39:18 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

Are we your employees??
...you seem upset.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2018, 03:45:59 PM »
I like pizza :autism:

joking aside,, if you can get me the DOI number (digital object identifier) for the paper I can retrieve the fulltext for you elle. Why, is it paywalled off?

Anyhow, get me the DOI and I'll see what I can do. There's a good chance I'll be able to pull the full article from behind the paywall. Bloody shocking isn't it, how damn greedy those paywalling closed-access journal publishing house bastards are isn't it?
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2018, 04:32:19 PM »
These findings suggest that psychopathic individuals have the ability to take the perspective of others but lack the propensity to do so.
Thought it was accepted psychopaths do have theory of mind, and like most anything they do, they care about it only if they believe it to be of benefit to them care about it, or to at least pretend to care.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2018, 04:43:08 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

Are we your employees??
...you seem upset.

No, not at all. I just see a pattern of behavior here.

You're trying to manipulate people into doing your bidding.

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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2018, 06:01:16 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

Are we your employees??
...you seem upset.

No, not at all. I just see a pattern of behavior here.

You're trying to manipulate people into doing your bidding.
Yes.  I'm a fucking master manipulator, forcing the hand of the vulnerable members of intensitysquared to find ways around paywalls so we can all discuss articles I find interesting.  May god and all that is holy save you from my influence and malice.

Watch my puppetmastering, yo:

I like pizza :autism:

joking aside,, if you can get me the DOI number (digital object identifier) for the paper I can retrieve the fulltext for you elle. Why, is it paywalled off?

Anyhow, get me the DOI and I'll see what I can do. There's a good chance I'll be able to pull the full article from behind the paywall. Bloody shocking isn't it, how damn greedy those paywalling closed-access journal publishing house bastards are isn't it?
Apparently it's this, I think?  10.1073/pnas.1721903115

If you don't feel too terribly manipulated by my straightforward query of whether any of the people on here, who often seem to be better at me at getting around paywalls, felt like finding a way around this paywall, that is.  :P

If you can extract it, care to tell me how?  I didn't have any luck; you seem to usually be able to.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2018, 06:02:48 PM »
These findings suggest that psychopathic individuals have the ability to take the perspective of others but lack the propensity to do so.
Thought it was accepted psychopaths do have theory of mind, and like most anything they do, they care about it only if they believe it to be of benefit to them care about it, or to at least pretend to care.
That was my understanding, too.  I largely want to see the full text because I want to see what they fucked up to reach a different conclusion.   :zoinks:
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2018, 06:03:50 PM »
These findings suggest that psychopathic individuals have the ability to take the perspective of others but lack the propensity to do so.
Thought it was accepted psychopaths do have theory of mind, and like most anything they do, they care about it only if they believe it to be of benefit to them care about it, or to at least pretend to care.
That was my understanding, too.  I largely want to see the full text because I want to see what they fucked up to reach a different conclusion.   :zoinks:
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2018, 08:01:45 PM »
https://sci-hub.tv/10.1073/pnas.1721903115 This is the original fulltext of the paper itself.

How do I do it? jedi tricks, I have ways and means of  finding the droids you ARE looking for :autism:

Its  called  sci-hub.

A currently active sci-hub address is sci-hub.tv  although I'll check a few  others to test they are still up.  Don't worry about the security alert, its just due to a self-signed SSL security cert, the creator of sci-hub, a kazakh student probably can't get any central authority to hold an official signed certificate because of the way the place came  to be. Basically she got a beehive up her ass about paywalling sons of bitches and closed-access, believes that knowledge ought to be freely disseminated and that the practices of the big publishing houses, in a word, fucking stink. Which they do.

So there have been a fair few domains that have changed from time to time, when the courts succeed in getting one domain shut down, she just creates several more. The publisher Elsevier launched a  court battle against her, she lost, but she more or less told  them hey, bugger off, you can't extradite me, and there is nothing whatsoever you can actually do to stop me, whether you like it or not, and I  don't give a shit what the court rules. Shut down one site, and up pop several more.

Just like Herakles battling the Lernean hydra. Only the courts have no flaming brand with which to cauterize the burnt stumps of individual domain names. The more get felled, the more there are.


Current addresses operational as of wed march 14th 2018:

Sci-hub.tv
http://sci-hub.hk/
sci-hub.tw
sci-hub.name
sci-hub.la

If needs  be at any time I can always post....somewhere else...to find out whatever the current sci-hub hosts are. There are ways  and means, and I reckon that the creatrix of the site is fresh out of tuppeny fucks of  which to bestow upon the ladies  and gentlemen of the jury and quite obviously has decided any judge can go stick two fingers up their backsides and  use their sphincter as a mount for a pogo stick.

And don't worry, its no imposition, you just need the DOI, although SOMETIMES, not always but on occasion a PMID will suffice, usually though you need the DOI number, plug it into the text input bar and click the unlock icon at the end and there you go. Works by spoofing an access token thats normally passed between the publisher's sites and a properly authenticated user, making it appear that its being accessed  from a uni, or someone else with a valid login and subscription, then forwarding the results to the sci-hub end user.

Apparently now, even users who have a valid uni institutional access are using sci-hub, in order to bypass the paywalls and the publishing houses, as a protest, to make sure they can't continue profiteering from both researchers, unis and  end users, ripping them off the way they have been. Sci-hub is  really doing well in sticking it to the bastards.

If you come up against any regional blocks, then you might need to download TORbrowser, its firefox-based and integrates TOR with the browser, and then you can just route the connection through another set of countries, if there are any local connection blocks.

And one other little package of goodies, this  one quite definitely does need local court-ordered ISP level blocks walked  round in some countries, like the UK. TORbrowser does the job perfectly.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

This is basically a pirate book site. Its the full scanned and uploaded, downloadable (as .PDF usually) book repository answer to sci-hub's service for for open access journal articles.

You can find  an awful lot of useful books, such as by searching using the ISBN number, or the author and  title etc; I've had luck finding a book I needed quite a few times, and often there will even be several editions available, since there are currently at the very minimum, 2 million uploads.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2018, 03:21:17 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

Are we your employees??
...you seem upset.

No, not at all. I just see a pattern of behavior here.

You're trying to manipulate people into doing your bidding.
Yes.  I'm a fucking master manipulator, forcing the hand of the vulnerable members of intensitysquared to find ways around paywalls so we can all discuss articles I find interesting.  May god and all that is holy save you from my influence and malice.

Watch my puppetmastering, yo:

I like pizza :autism:

joking aside,, if you can get me the DOI number (digital object identifier) for the paper I can retrieve the fulltext for you elle. Why, is it paywalled off?

Anyhow, get me the DOI and I'll see what I can do. There's a good chance I'll be able to pull the full article from behind the paywall. Bloody shocking isn't it, how damn greedy those paywalling closed-access journal publishing house bastards are isn't it?
Apparently it's this, I think?  10.1073/pnas.1721903115

If you don't feel too terribly manipulated by my straightforward query of whether any of the people on here, who often seem to be better at me at getting around paywalls, felt like finding a way around this paywall, that is.  :P

If you can extract it, care to tell me how?  I didn't have any luck; you seem to usually be able to.

Q.E.D.

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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2018, 08:06:19 PM »
Why do you keep posting links to shit that either needs a subscription or has to be purchased??

Are we your employees??
...you seem upset.

No, not at all. I just see a pattern of behavior here.

You're trying to manipulate people into doing your bidding.

Holy shit, you've got a point there :tinfoil:

El is the master manipulator behind everything! Share with us your wisdom, old wise Pappy so that we may understand your gospel.  :autism:

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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2018, 08:11:05 PM »
She wasn't manipulating me. Quite the opposite, in this case, because her aim to get the paper coincides  with my aim of furthering open access to journal content.

So what suited her suits me too.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2018, 02:43:20 AM »
That's what YOU think. That's how good she is.
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Re: Psychopaths fail to automatically take the perspective of others
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2018, 05:36:57 AM »
That's what YOU think. That's how good she is.
I'm actually secretly running the forum by mind-controlling odeon.








Bet you guys could barely even tell HE was controlling the whole thing, let alone me.  I'm THAT good.   :autism:
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I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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