Let's break down this bullshit narrative from our Prodigal son:
Just a few clarifications:
Except "clarification" is perhaps not the best word to use. Maybe "spin" will serve better.
I did send Odeon a PM regarding the uncanny similarities between what occurred at AFF vs what seems to be occurring at I^2. I am certain that I am not Odeon's only source.
Who knows? Again, what I say is backed up and easily done so and is very transparent. As far as I know not much of what you say is backed up and not at all transparent. We do not even know if you were a member on there? There was no Minister of Silly Walks as far as I know? For all I know you are simply a person with a gripe against me?
Seeing as I^2 was used as a platform to launch the backlash against Amy and Gareth, no doubt they are loving the irony of seeing that very same presence that the resistance rallied behind now at the heart of the potential destruction of I^2. The support for Amy and Gareth during that time was considerable and it mainly centred around facebook and the AFF chat rooms.
Except it wasn't and you will not find evidence to display this. Evidence is easily found if you look. I looked for evidence to back my side of things and found it easily enough. You will not be able to do the same.
Again the fact that you do not know these crucial things tends to shed your side of things in very poor light.
In the first purge whereby Amy barged in and tried shaking things up and pissed off most of the forum. Max the Bear organised people in changing avatars and doing short boycotts and such. I did not, I went straight at Amy. I was not a party to it. How much of THAT was recorded or organised through I2? (There was condemnation after the fact and you will see that on here but that was not the claim you made is it?)
I will give you a hint. NONE.
Next, a number of years later after having been allowed back on as Bloke. Amy came back in and started picking on people and pushing people around and again I went at her and was banned. A number of people objected to her treatment and she closed the forum. Again there was no organising of this and it happened rather quickly. Amy banned a couple of people (I remember Bardwolf. She was acting a little strange but not nastily) and acting like a petty tyrant. But she made some really bullshit claims against me supposedly organising protests some years before, which was bullshit and I had a go at her about her lies (I did not organise a damn thing and did not take part in anything either).
So it went quickly from Amy being a sow banning a few of us and at that point I made a snarky thread on here that got no attention until El President made a thread on AFF asking to bring me back and apparently it was very well received by fellow AFF members but not so Amy and she banned them. Again, no organisation there.
Perhaps though you could back up these lies. I am more than happy to eat humble pie if you proof any of these organisation efforts on I2. If you can't, I hope you will be adult enough to admit you are simply dishonest and stirring shit. That sounds fair doesn't it?
Deal?
I have seen Odeon being "cast" into the role of Amy. I don't know if this is some kind of bizarre, anal-retentive revenge fantasy, or if there is some other warped explanation. I do know that Odeon will need to be careful to avoid the same outcome. Amy tried to cut out a cancer from AFF and, in doing so, she unfortunately killed the patient. Lack of transparency and apparent lack of due process led to an impression that Amy was being unfair.
Amy was being unfair.
There was no cancer in the forum there was a robust membership who self-policed after she and Gareth left them to their own resources and without the ability to ban people. The membership was equally as supportive as it was activist and I was quite proud to be amoung its number.
Banning "the cancer" does not cause 40-50 active members to leave and only an absolute liar would suggest that. Even IF she was being unfair, the majority of the members would be happy enough to happy enough to accept such an "executive decision" to be rid of a cancer. So this does not pass the smell test on its own merits.
As far as Odeon being like Amy. I believe the ways I liken them was particularly easy to comprehend and does not require much in the way of speculation and much less the need for fantasising, unless you were an idiot.
I know that there are a minimum of rules here at I^2. But it needs to be remembered that the forum does not serve the rules, the rules need to serve the forum. If Odeon needs to change the rules to take into account that there are personalities and behaviours that the original rules could not foresee, and which are destroying I^2 as a productive and enjoyable platform, then that may need to be on the table. Transparency and due process are important, a sudden perma-ban and a refusal to discuss other options may produce a negative backlash (as was the case with AFF). A series of warnings followed by a series of suspensions of increasing length and plenty of room for a troublesome member to mend their ways may be a better approach.
Odeon can do whatever he likes on his own forum. As far as I know, it is exactly what he does do. HOWEVER, as with all things, there are always consequences to bad actions as there are to good actions.
The reality is that a place like I^2 isn't going to change the world. But it once did provide an enjoyable and fun escape for a large number of members. I don't now about the rest of the residual membership, but being stalked around the forum, insulted and attacked at every opportunity, confronted by angry and hostile walls of text every day, is not fun for most people. Except for one member who lives for that shit, and has been doing it for many years.
Hey it is not particularly fun for me being attacked either or having mod tools on me or being sinbinned or whatever but I am a big boy and I will live.
So this is interesting. You made some big claims which were not only untrue but some are demonstrably untrue. Furthermore, some claims you made cannot be proven. The fact that you get much of this so wrong has me suspect that you either are not who you claim to be (an ex-AFF member) or are purposefully lying. Why else would you get so much NOT misinterpreted but completely wrong?
