The Tragedy in Las Vegas

[Gopher Gary]

I don't generally wish people to be killed but in Trump's case, I'm happy to make an exception. The rest of the world would benefit.

Better off how? What has Trump done to the rest of the world that his successor wouldn't perpetuate? 

So many reasons, but perhaps most importantly that he's dangerously volatile, a compulsive liar, easily insulted, and not well read. I very much doubt they can find a successor with all of these "qualities".

The Trump administration and Authentic Trump co-exist in an exhausting tension. One day Trump suggests that he might step away from Nato; the next he insists that he would not do so. One day he sides explicitly with Theresa May’s Brexit critics, while her guest; the next he gives her fulsome support. This tension might be manageable so long as the key institutions are not damaged irretrievably, and the situation is not aggravated by some unexpected crisis.

Meanwhile, inflammatory rhetoric and even half-baked policy initiatives still have corrosive effects. They have already changed the way that the country is viewed by those many allies for which the United States was a friend, partner and protector.

A politician who lies and talks out of both sides of their mouth? Go figure. The stuff you said and quoted seems mostly about people being offended, why people don't like him, or how the world views the US. That's not a good reason to call for death. 

This combination is a very dangerous one, to your country and to pretty much the entire globe.

Now you wish him dead to save me too?    At least give me one example of something deserving of death, because if you don't then you're basically saying you wish him dead because he's a dummy poopy head sensitive liar who makes the US look bad. 

No, I'm not trying to save you, but what happens to the US affects the entire world.

I could give you a number of reasons, from his enabling of Putin to him wanting to build more nukes again. Or why not his trade wars that do little to help his country but affect the whole world? Any number of things he does to destabilise the entire world.

Or why not discuss his climate policies? Leaving an agreement that needs to be followed up, not ignored? Seriously?

I can think of few people more deserving of a bullet. Certainly, him being the target of the next gun nutter (give it a few days, it will happen) rather than a dozen innocent people would not make me lose any sleep.

If it only was about him making the US look bad.

I don't have to agree, but thank you for saying something substantial. Your initial liar-poopy-head-trump answer, combined with that lame ass article was really awful.  So I appreciate the clarification using your own thoughts. 

[Gopher Gary]

This shit is getting weird, guys!! 

Aw shucks, DirtDawg.  I sort of like that Trump stirs people this way, because it chips away at apathy. This year's midterm elections had the highest voter turnout in the past hundred years. If it makes you feel better, here's an article about Trump's accomplishments over the past two years from the fake newz. https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-first-year-his-top-82-accomplishments-786130  Like the man says, if Trump had some level of composure, more people might actually notice he's fulfilling his campaign promises. I don't know why it appeals to me that he doesn't seem to care if these things are recognized. 

[Calandale]

I don't know why it appeals to me that he doesn't seem to care if these things are recognized. 

I think it's because they didn't matter to him. Means to an end.

It's not like he made good on the most vociferous of his campaign rants/promises either.
Hillary's still at large, there's no physical wall, the 'swamp' overfloweth....

To me though, this is the biggest story: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/job-gains-for-the-manufacturing-industry-are-the-most-since-1995.html - the one that might just keep him in office.

[odeon]

The US, through its agencies and proxies, regularly assassinates people who are far less dangerous than Trump. So isn't it just a little precious to be outraged when someone suggests that assassinating Trump might not be so bad?

In short, no it's not. Rationalizing unjustifiable acts by justifying then with unjustifiable acts is a very strange argument to make.

Let's take the ultimate what if: What if you'd have this one chance to kill Hitler in 1919 or so?

Is this meant to compare Trump to Hitler? Though to answer the question, no.

No, Trump is no Hitler.

[odeon]

I don't generally wish people to be killed but in Trump's case, I'm happy to make an exception. The rest of the world would benefit.

Better off how? What has Trump done to the rest of the world that his successor wouldn't perpetuate? 

So many reasons, but perhaps most importantly that he's dangerously volatile, a compulsive liar, easily insulted, and not well read. I very much doubt they can find a successor with all of these "qualities".

The Trump administration and Authentic Trump co-exist in an exhausting tension. One day Trump suggests that he might step away from Nato; the next he insists that he would not do so. One day he sides explicitly with Theresa May’s Brexit critics, while her guest; the next he gives her fulsome support. This tension might be manageable so long as the key institutions are not damaged irretrievably, and the situation is not aggravated by some unexpected crisis.

Meanwhile, inflammatory rhetoric and even half-baked policy initiatives still have corrosive effects. They have already changed the way that the country is viewed by those many allies for which the United States was a friend, partner and protector.

A politician who lies and talks out of both sides of their mouth? Go figure. The stuff you said and quoted seems mostly about people being offended, why people don't like him, or how the world views the US. That's not a good reason to call for death. 

This combination is a very dangerous one, to your country and to pretty much the entire globe.

Now you wish him dead to save me too?    At least give me one example of something deserving of death, because if you don't then you're basically saying you wish him dead because he's a dummy poopy head sensitive liar who makes the US look bad. 

No, I'm not trying to save you, but what happens to the US affects the entire world.

I could give you a number of reasons, from his enabling of Putin to him wanting to build more nukes again. Or why not his trade wars that do little to help his country but affect the whole world? Any number of things he does to destabilise the entire world.

Or why not discuss his climate policies? Leaving an agreement that needs to be followed up, not ignored? Seriously?

I can think of few people more deserving of a bullet. Certainly, him being the target of the next gun nutter (give it a few days, it will happen) rather than a dozen innocent people would not make me lose any sleep.

If it only was about him making the US look bad.

I don't have to agree, but thank you for saying something substantial. Your initial liar-poopy-head-trump answer, combined with that lame ass article was really awful.  So I appreciate the clarification using your own thoughts. 

Fair enough.

[Calandale]

No, Trump is no Hitler.

Correct. Hitler served his country with distinction during wartime.

[Gopher Gary]

I don't know why it appeals to me that he doesn't seem to care if these things are recognized. 

I think it's because they didn't matter to him. Means to an end.

It's not like he made good on the most vociferous of his campaign rants/promises either.
Hillary's still at large, there's no physical wall, the 'swamp' overfloweth....

To me though, this is the biggest story: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/job-gains-for-the-manufacturing-industry-are-the-most-since-1995.html - the one that might just keep him in office.

I don't really know what to think about the economic factors. Sometimes I'll read about how things are better now than they've been in 12-17 years. Unemployment is down, welfare is down, jobs are up, pay rates are up, the stock market is up, so there's no denying a lot of things are better today than they were two years ago. Then I'll read something else where someone takes a more critical look at those numbers, and points out all of the improvements have already been trending in those directions for eight years, and most of those trends haven't accelerated in the past two years, while the rate of some improvements have slightly decreased. But sure, things are better and if people want to give Trump credit for that, then it very well might get him re-elected. 

[Al Swearegen]

Nazism is National Socialism. It is hardly Right Wing

[Calandale]

I don't really know what to think about the economic factors. Sometimes I'll read about how things are better now than they've been in 12-17 years. Unemployment is down, welfare is down, jobs are up, pay rates are up, the stock market is up, so there's no denying a lot of things are better today than they were two years ago. Then I'll read something else where someone takes a more critical look at those numbers, and points out all of the improvements have already been trending in those directions for eight years, and most of those trends haven't accelerated in the past two years, while the rate of some improvements have slightly decreased. But sure, things are better and if people want to give Trump credit for that, then it very well might get him re-elected. 

A president's first couple years economic results are largely an effect of the prior administration. HOWEVER, any Republican tends
to get a bit of a bounce off of Wall Street's greater trust that their efforts won't be undermined. Strangely, given the effects of
conservative principles seen through the lens of the last 50 years or so, you'd think the opposite would be true - as deregulation
has led to the greatest economic catastrophes, but, no one said free market behavior was sensible.

[odeon]

And speaking of Trump being offed for the greater good: I'm sure he'd understand the pragmatism behind the concept, considering his stance on the Saudis.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Most of the noise around Trump doesn't matter as much as the media tries to make out. When it comes to whether Trump gets reelected or not, it's the economy, stupid!

[Calandale]

And speaking of Trump being offed for the greater good: I'm sure he'd understand the pragmatism behind the concept, considering his stance on the Saudis.

That's got NOTHING to do with any 'greater good'.

[odeon]

And speaking of Trump being offed for the greater good: I'm sure he'd understand the pragmatism behind the concept, considering his stance on the Saudis.

That's got NOTHING to do with any 'greater good'.

Sure it does. What's a single life (a journalist at that!) when compared to the US-Saudi relations? So what's a single life (Trump) when compared to a more stable globe?

[Al Swearegen]

And speaking of Trump being offed for the greater good: I'm sure he'd understand the pragmatism behind the concept, considering his stance on the Saudis.

That's got NOTHING to do with any 'greater good'.

Sure it does. What's a single life (a journalist at that!) when compared to the US-Saudi relations? So what's a single life (Trump) when compared to a more stable globe?

You are so far down the ideological rabbit hole you have become the Mad Hatter

[Yuri Bezmenov]

And speaking of Trump being offed for the greater good: I'm sure he'd understand the pragmatism behind the concept, considering his stance on the Saudis.

That's got NOTHING to do with any 'greater good'.

Sure it does. What's a single life (a journalist at that!) when compared to the US-Saudi relations? So what's a single life (Trump) when compared to a more stable globe?

What's a single life (some wanker from Sweden) when compared to a more democratically run message board??