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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2018, 06:34:37 AM »
*at my company it's amazingly difficult to get fired; if you know someone was fired, you know they REALLY fucked up, repeatedly and/or in a MAJOR way; this is a decidedly mixed blessing for all of us
Tangent, but boy, has this been a month (and a year) to remember that.

Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2018, 07:05:57 AM »
Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:

Are they like a Dilbert cartoon??

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2018, 07:32:44 AM »
Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:

Are they like a Dilbert cartoon??
Nowhere near that tame.
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2018, 01:16:44 PM »
Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:

Are they like a Dilbert cartoon??
Nowhere near that tame.

I find that difficult to imagine. What could be so valuable in a place like that that would encourage Machiavellian behavior??

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2018, 06:31:04 AM »
Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:

Are they like a Dilbert cartoon??
Nowhere near that tame.

I find that difficult to imagine. What could be so valuable in a place like that that would encourage Machiavellian behavior??
Who said anything about Machiavellian?
it is well known that PMS Elle is evil.
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2018, 08:39:32 AM »
Middle management is interesting.   :zombiefuck:

Are they like a Dilbert cartoon??
Nowhere near that tame.

I find that difficult to imagine. What could be so valuable in a place like that that would encourage Machiavellian behavior??
Who said anything about Machiavellian?

You mean they're just...  stupid??

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2018, 04:06:27 PM »
What makes you think that middle management is different from the rest of the population?
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2018, 10:25:33 PM »
What makes you think that middle management is different from the rest of the population?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_principle

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2018, 05:25:12 AM »
Dilbert Principle is a clever but deliberately inaccurate interpretation of a very commonly observed phenomenon.

(Captain Obvious here).
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2018, 09:34:19 AM »
Dilbert Principle is a clever but deliberately inaccurate interpretation of a very commonly observed phenomenon.

(Captain Obvious here).

Jesus Christ!
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2018, 03:09:02 PM »
What makes you think that middle management is different from the rest of the population?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_principle

While his version is funnier, I think people are stupid regardless.
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2018, 07:02:18 AM »
What makes you think that middle management is different from the rest of the population?
Posting response in elder's forum.
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I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2018, 04:38:31 PM »
Dilbert Principle is a clever but deliberately inaccurate interpretation of a very commonly observed phenomenon.

(Captain Obvious here).

There's different versions of it. Scott Adams, being a satirical cartoonist, is going to make a version of that that fits him.   :M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_selection_(politics)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_management

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

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Re: James Damore files class action lawsuit against Google.
« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2018, 05:22:49 PM »
Incompetent employees, particularly in a technical environment, can (1) choose to be honest about their lack of competence, in which case they tend to be let go gently. Or (2) they can be dishonest about their lack of competence but fail at covering their lack of competence, in which case they tend to (eventually) be let go less gently. 
OR (3) they can develop a certain swagger and a set of survival skills that enable them to hang onto a well-paid job despite really, really sucking at that job.
OR (4) they can actually be competent at the job and rely on their competence, not needing to develop that swagger and those survival skills.
OR (5) they can be really, really good at the job.

Now imagine a human experiment where there are 8 employees in a department that is responsible for delivering projects and supporting software. There is a (1), there are two of (2), one of (3), 3 of (4) and one of (5).

Allow this department to marinate for 6 or 12 months and then come back and see how the experiment went.

Most likely outcome? The (5) is actually performing a majority of the work done by the department. (1) was let go very early, one of the (2)s was also let go but the other is still somehow clinging on. The three (4)s are turning up for work every day and getting stuff done, making a few mistakes and missing the odd deadline. All of them now report to (3), who was promoted to middle management a couple of months ago.
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