Governor McAuliffe is officially a badass.

[odeon]

So the white supremacists are victims?

No the klan is a domestic terrorist organization.

I don't agree with Antifa's methods but they are certainly not fascists.

No antifa is a domestic terrorist organization.

There's a petition for it but I think you're painting in very broad strokes.

Don't think so. The victims that day were liberty, society and all of the millions of peaceful people who aren't either of them.

The victim that day was the woman who was killed.

[odeon]

So the white supremacists are victims?

No the klan is a domestic terrorist organization.

I don't agree with Antifa's methods but they are certainly not fascists.

No antifa is a domestic terrorist organization.

That says equivalency to me

Yeah, let's protect the poor, misunderstood Nazis!

Being that NO ONE here has supported or not condemned the Neo Nazis, in what rational and reasonable way did you arrive to the conclusion that ANY of us were "protecting the Nazis".

Try spelling it out because it looks pretty silly from this vantage point.

You think everything I say is silly because that is your vantage point.

Me, I think setting equivalence of any kind between Nazis an the people who want them gone is silly. But then, you knew that.

[Jack]

There's no fine line between demonstrating and rioting. Groups who set fire to cars and homes, smash storefronts, and attack police as their interpretation of their voice are terrorists. Groups who set fire to white homes in black neighborhoods as a political statement against gentrification are in fact equal to white supremacists. When violent cowards express their voice with weapons while hiding their faces, it doesn't matter if the fabric hiding their face is klan white hoods or black antifa mask. Terrorists aren't victims.

[Jack]

It would be easy to support antifa, the same way am supportive of muslims, if they would even once attempt to distance themselves from the criminals in their ranks by condemning them as extremists bad apples, but they don't. They make no bones about the lengths they're willing to go to, and innocent bystanders can only hope to stay out of their path.

[Al Swearegen]

So the white supremacists are victims?

No the klan is a domestic terrorist organization.

I don't agree with Antifa's methods but they are certainly not fascists.

No antifa is a domestic terrorist organization.

That says equivalency to me

Yeah, let's protect the poor, misunderstood Nazis!

Being that NO ONE here has supported or not condemned the Neo Nazis, in what rational and reasonable way did you arrive to the conclusion that ANY of us were "protecting the Nazis".

Try spelling it out because it looks pretty silly from this vantage point.

You think everything I say is silly because that is your vantage point.

Me, I think setting equivalence of any kind between Nazis and the people who want them gone is silly. But then, you knew that.

Nazis are gone. The German Nazi Socialist Party and its deadly and ruthless army and leadership that took on Europe and actively practiced genocide against the Jewish people and to an extent, other minorities, many decades ago, is gone.

So you have your wish

Now you DO have other nasty, violent, ideological groups. Some want to commit violence and evil and with a self-righteousness and moral justification to shore up any misdeed as for the greater benefit of the ideology. What are these ideologies that they think the end justifies the means to propagate and force these narratives on everyone whether they believe them or not?:

Some of these are their specific brand of religion
Some for racial supremacist and racist reasons
Others to push a political position

Such people will not only share their horrible ideology but will do anything they can to make that the default in society.

I worry not just about the beliefs but the size, the way society exalts or tolerates or demonises them but also their influence and fanaticism.

Neo Nazis are a big issue and so are Antifa and no one here is protecting either group.

So when you say that myself or others are protecting Nazis when none of us are and we have all condemned them , their ideokogy and their actions......it kind of looks dishonest.

Is this a fair and rational reading? If not, then why not?

[Al Swearegen]

There's no fine line between demonstrating and rioting. Groups who set fire to cars and homes, smash storefronts, and attack police as their interpretation of their voice are terrorists. Groups who set fire to white homes in black neighborhoods as a political statement against gentrification are in fact equal to white supremacists. When violent cowards express their voice with weapons while hiding their faces, it doesn't matter if the fabric hiding their face is klan white hoods or black antifa mask. Terrorists aren't victims.

This is so very true.

The search for equivalency is answered in this post

[odeon]

I see no point in reiterating what I've already said.

[Al Swearegen]

I see no point in reiterating what I've already said.

It was irrational then it probably won't be groundbreaking now. I was hoping that you had something else to offer. No matter, I just thought you would move to a logical and reasonable position. Nothing lost.

[odeon]

I see no point in reiterating what I've already said.

It was irrational then it probably won't be groundbreaking now. I was hoping that you had something else to offer. No matter, I just thought you would move to a logical and reasonable position. Nothing lost.

You've consistently failed to recognise "logical" and "reasonable" but for the longest time I hoped you would.

And yes, this is me being charitable.

[Al Swearegen]

I see no point in reiterating what I've already said.

It was irrational then it probably won't be groundbreaking now. I was hoping that you had something else to offer. No matter, I just thought you would move to a logical and reasonable position. Nothing lost.

You've consistently failed to recognise "logical" and "reasonable" but for the longest time I hoped you would.

And yes, this is me being charitable.

Aha. Sure, Odeon. With your trainwreck of reasoning, demonstrated above, you are not the person to really judge such things.

[odeon]

You wouldn't know.

[Al Swearegen]

You wouldn't know.

I see "I know you are but what am I?" Winning argument tecnique there. Very impressive. Sells your position.

[odeon]

You're flattering yourself if you think there is an actual argument.

[Al Swearegen]

You're flattering yourself if you think there is an actual argument.

Dismissive snark is a slightly better tactic...slightly

[odeon]

It's what I've been doing all along. You don't have substance enough for an argument.