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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2016, 05:32:54 PM »
I did the the consolation prize of having the state next to mine legalize recreational marijuana  :2thumbsup:
It's a relief to all of us here in MA to have recreational marijuana legalized, as it was so very very difficult to get ahold of and get away with using before.   :autism:

Really they don't do anything about it???
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AMHERST — All that remains of the solitary marijuana plant an 81-year-old grandmother had been growing behind her South Amherst home is a stump and a ragged hole in the ground.
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An average of 13 people per week face police harassment or arrest because of marijuana in the City of Boston alone, Boston Police Department data show. Today the ACLU released a live map showing where police incidents and arrests for marijuana take place in Boston. Using daily updated data from the Boston Police Department and the latest census information, the maps confirm state and nationwide trends: while all races of people smoke and sell marijuana at similar rates, marijuana enforcement is disproportionately concentrated in communities of color.
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They decriminalized it here in Ct and your supposed to get a mail in ticket but generally the police try to twist it into something more say like arresting you for having drug paraphernalia if you have a bowl or bong.










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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2016, 05:56:34 PM »
Oh, I'd like to flee to Canada. I'd LOVE to flee to Canada. Get the hell away from Trumpland. Or at least move to a more Democratic state.

But you only like democracy when you win?

A perk with democracy is to be allowed to bitch about it.

I don't think that includes arson and threatening to kill people though.

Give Trump some time and I'm sure his version will.

We're talking about your type that are on the streets setting fires and people online calling for Trump to be killed.  Keep defending these thugs you hypocrite. 
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2016, 06:12:48 PM »
I think you will all be okay America.
There has been an immediate uptick in hate crimes, so we're already not "all" OK.

If Trump gets the chance to replace more supreme court justices than just Scalia, we're going to have a long wait to recover from what we will lose in terms of human rights, which could actually include roe v. wade and marriage equality.

A lot of us are extremely scared right now, for ourselves and for our loves ones.

I hope I am wrong, but I think you're not grasping the implications of what just happened here.

I think you are right in being scared. I know I am, and I can only imagine how I would feel if I lived in the US. :(
I'm a woman, but I'm also white, cis, straight, and live in a state that we're basically equating to Canada.  (And, as I am physically unable to have kids, I won't be directly effected by anti-abortion legislation.)  So I'm not so much scared for myself as I am for the people who are more vulnerable than I am, and feeling despair that I'm going to see their rights under the law greatly reduced or taken away, and that I'm going to see them become less safe regardless of their legal rights.

Who are you talking about then and how? Are they actually vulnerable or have they just been sold a narrative by ideologues?
I love seeing the Laci Green's of the world upset and going crazy online. These people are smug, righteous, ideologues that are pretty horrific people. They drive a lot of the worst excess of the narrative. I laughed my arse off seeing people like her unhappy about Hillary losing. BUT then I see this young black guy come on and and he says "Trump is President. Now I don't know what to do. I'm scared. I have never been to Africa and he wants to deport us there. I'm scared man"
Fucking really?
I initially scoffed at the absurdity and then the fun disappeared as I realised, this narrative came from somewhere and it sure as Hell was not Trump. Someone who knows better planted this idea that this guy was at risk of being banished into the continent of Africa to fend for himself. Someone who purported to be worried for this guy, who in reality JUST wanted their person to win and was happy to whip up a bit of fearmongering from the ignorant and the stupid.

Another person who was Latina was saying "NOOOO...we have to go. Trump is going to kill us. There all going to kill us now he is President"

Again, she got that somewhere and it sure as Hell was not Trump. The people who did this are responsible for the unrest, not Trump. The vulnerability is not real but I have NO doubt is very much felt. That is why I did not laugh at these poor people.

These people are manipulated by those that they trust and those that pretend to act in their best interest. Poisonous people. The hatred and fear for Trump is mostly misplaced.
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2016, 07:04:17 PM »
I think you will all be okay America.
There has been an immediate uptick in hate crimes, so we're already not "all" OK.

If Trump gets the chance to replace more supreme court justices than just Scalia, we're going to have a long wait to recover from what we will lose in terms of human rights, which could actually include roe v. wade and marriage equality.

A lot of us are extremely scared right now, for ourselves and for our loves ones.

I hope I am wrong, but I think you're not grasping the implications of what just happened here.

Apparent. Lots of reports of hate crimes to sell a narrative or lots of ACTUAL hate crimes?

http://klfy.com/2016/11/09/ul-student-fabricated-story-of-attack-robbery-by-trump-supporters-police-say/

All that happened is that Trump, a man with whom you have different political persuasion to, has been elected President of the United States of America. Nothing more than that.

Here is another

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html

How many more are there and why are people buying it?
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2016, 09:26:23 PM »
I love how the two biggest Trump fans here don't even live in this country.  :rofl:

No one remembers him shutting heat and water off to a bunch of tenants in the middle of the winter back in the 80's. I do.

I remember him on the Howard Stern show, I remember wife #1, #2, and #3's "modeling career"...and him making an ass out of himself for 20+ years.  :trainwreck:
 
I really hope he does something right. Until then though, I will remain jaded and unimpressed.  :yawn:

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2016, 10:00:58 PM »
Until then though, I will remain jaded

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2016, 11:58:48 PM »
I love how the two biggest Trump fans here don't even live in this country.  :rofl:

No one remembers him shutting heat and water off to a bunch of tenants in the middle of the winter back in the 80's. I do.

I remember him on the Howard Stern show, I remember wife #1, #2, and #3's "modeling career"...and him making an ass out of himself for 20+ years.  :trainwreck:
 
I really hope he does something right. Until then though, I will remain jaded and unimpressed.  :yawn:

Who are his fans on here?

As I put above I think he is probably somewhere between a monster and a saint. I have said I hate Hillary and I do.

I do think some of his policy ideas are okay. I don't know how they will translate in real terms and as policies. I do think that there is a lot more potential with him that HRC.

I also think he does give a stuff about his country.

Is he a nice man? No idea? Has he done bad things too? Yes. Has he done good things? Yes. Is he a flawed candidate? Yes.

Can he translate any of these things into meaningful and workable solutions that help america? No idea. But I am not as fearful of him failing as I was Hillary.

So that is a pretty middle of the road analysis AND opinion on Trump. But you were talking about Biggest supporters and so obviously not me. I don't know who the other contenders are?

Who did you mean and why and why do you find it funny?
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I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2016, 04:36:39 AM »
Oh, I'd like to flee to Canada. I'd LOVE to flee to Canada. Get the hell away from Trumpland. Or at least move to a more Democratic state.

But you only like democracy when you win?

A perk with democracy is to be allowed to bitch about it.

I don't think that includes arson and threatening to kill people though.

Give Trump some time and I'm sure his version will.

We're talking about your type that are on the streets setting fires and people online calling for Trump to be killed.  Keep defending these thugs you hypocrite.

I thought that was your type. No, sorry, you'd only do that to Muslims.
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2016, 04:38:27 AM »
I love how the two biggest Trump fans here don't even live in this country.  :rofl:

This.
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2016, 07:39:49 AM »
Oh, I'd like to flee to Canada. I'd LOVE to flee to Canada. Get the hell away from Trumpland. Or at least move to a more Democratic state.

But you only like democracy when you win?

A perk with democracy is to be allowed to bitch about it.

I don't think that includes arson and threatening to kill people though.

Give Trump some time and I'm sure his version will.

We're talking about your type that are on the streets setting fires and people online calling for Trump to be killed.  Keep defending these thugs you hypocrite.

I thought that was your type. No, sorry, you'd only do that to Muslims.

I do it when "Muslims" have been blown up or under decades of occupation and ethnic cleansing.  These fucktards just didn't get the result they wanted.  I'm sure you'd be sticking up for them if they were Trump supporters. 
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2016, 09:38:13 AM »
Oh, I'd like to flee to Canada. I'd LOVE to flee to Canada. Get the hell away from Trumpland. Or at least move to a more Democratic state.

But you only like democracy when you win?

A perk with democracy is to be allowed to bitch about it.

I don't think that includes arson and threatening to kill people though.

Give Trump some time and I'm sure his version will.

We're talking about your type that are on the streets setting fires and people online calling for Trump to be killed.  Keep defending these thugs you hypocrite.

I thought that was your type. No, sorry, you'd only do that to Muslims.

I do it when "Muslims" have been blown up or under decades of occupation and ethnic cleansing.  These fucktards just didn't get the result they wanted.  I'm sure you'd be sticking up for them if they were Trump supporters.

Asra Q. Nomani is a former Wall Street Journal reporter and a co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement. She can be found on Twitter at @AsraNomani.

A lot is being said now about the “silent secret Trump supporters.”

This is my confession — and explanation: I — a 51-year-old, a Muslim, an immigrant woman “of color” — am one of those silent voters for Donald Trump. And I’m not a “bigot,” “racist,” “chauvinist” or “white supremacist,” as Trump voters are being called, nor part of some “whitelash.”

In the winter of 2008, as a lifelong liberal and proud daughter of West Virginia, a state born on the correct side of history on slavery, I moved to historically conservative Virginia only because the state had helped elect Barack Obama as the first African American president of the United States.

After Hillary Clinton called Trump to concede, making him America’s president-elect, a friend on Twitter wrote a message of apology to the world, saying there are millions of Americans who don’t share Trump’s “hatred/division/ignorance.” She ended: “Ashamed of millions that do.”

That would presumably include me — but it doesn’t, and that is where the dismissal of voter concerns about Clinton led to her defeat. I most certainly reject the trifecta of “hatred/division/ignorance.” I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change.

[Did you vote for Donald Trump? Tell us why.]

But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare. The president’s mortgage-loan modification program, “HOPE NOW,” didn’t help me. Tuesday, I drove into Virginia from my hometown of Morgantown, W.Va., where I see rural America and ordinary Americans, like me, still struggling to make ends meet, after eight years of the Obama administration.

After Hillary Clinton called Trump to concede, making him America’s president-elect, a friend on Twitter wrote a message of apology to the world, saying there are millions of Americans who don’t share Trump’s “hatred/division/ignorance.” She ended: “Ashamed of millions that do.”

That would presumably include me — but it doesn’t, and that is where the dismissal of voter concerns about Clinton led to her defeat. I most certainly reject the trifecta of “hatred/division/ignorance.” I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change.

[Did you vote for Donald Trump? Tell us why.]

But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare. The president’s mortgage-loan modification program, “HOPE NOW,” didn’t help me. Tuesday, I drove into Virginia from my hometown of Morgantown, W.Va., where I see rural America and ordinary Americans, like me, still struggling to make ends meet, after eight years of the Obama administration.

After Hillary Clinton called Trump to concede, making him America’s president-elect, a friend on Twitter wrote a message of apology to the world, saying there are millions of Americans who don’t share Trump’s “hatred/division/ignorance.” She ended: “Ashamed of millions that do.”

That would presumably include me — but it doesn’t, and that is where the dismissal of voter concerns about Clinton led to her defeat. I most certainly reject the trifecta of “hatred/division/ignorance.” I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change.

[Did you vote for Donald Trump? Tell us why.]

But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare. The president’s mortgage-loan modification program, “HOPE NOW,” didn’t help me. Tuesday, I drove into Virginia from my hometown of Morgantown, W.Va., where I see rural America and ordinary Americans, like me, still struggling to make ends meet, after eight years of the Obama administration.

Finally, as a liberal Muslim who has experienced, first-hand, Islamic extremism in this world, I have been opposed to the decision by President Obama and the Democratic Party to tap dance around the “Islam” in Islamic State. Of course, Trump’s rhetoric has been far more than indelicate and folks can have policy differences with his recommendations, but, to me, it has been exaggerated and demonized by the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, their media channels, such as Al Jazeera, and their proxies in the West, in a convenient distraction from the issue that most worries me as a human being on this earth: extremist Islam of the kind that has spilled blood from the hallways of the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai to the dance floor of the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla.


Director of the Council on American–Islamic Relations, Nihad Awad, addressed the media following Donald Trump's election win Nov. 9. Awad said the group accepted the outcome of the election and reassured U.S. Muslims that America is their home. (Reuters)
In mid-June, after the tragic shooting at Pulse, Trump tweeted out a message, delivered in his typical subtle style: “Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn’t he should immediately resign in disgrace!”

Around then, on CNN’s “New Day,” Democratic candidate Clinton seemed to do the Obama dance, saying, “From my perspective, it matters what we do more than what we say. And it mattered we got bin Laden, not what name we called him. I have clearly said we — whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islamism, I’m happy to say either. I think they mean the same thing.”

By mid-October, it was one Aug. 17, 2014, email from the WikiLeaks treasure trove of Clinton emails that poisoned the well for me. In it, Clinton told aide John Podesta: “We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL,” the politically correct name for the Islamic State, “and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”

The revelations of multimillion-dollar donations to the Clinton Foundation from Qatar and Saudi Arabia killed my support for Clinton. Yes, I want equal pay. No, I reject Trump’s “locker room” banter, the idea of a “wall” between the United States and Mexico and a plan to “ban” Muslims. But I trust the United States and don’t buy the political hyperbole — agenda-driven identity politics of its own — that demonized Trump and his supporters.

I gently tried to express my thoughts on Twitter but the “Pantsuit revolution” was like a steamroller to any nuanced discourse. If you supported Trump, you had to be a redneck.

Related: Why this Frenchman plans to resist President Trump — by becoming a U.S. citizen

Days before the election, a journalist from India emailed me, asking: What are your thoughts being a Muslim in “Trump’s America”?

I wrote that as a child of India, arriving in the United States at the age of 4 in the summer of 1969, I have absolutely no fears about being a Muslim in a “Trump America.” The checks and balances in America and our rich history of social justice and civil rights will never allow the fear-mongering that has been attached to candidate Trump’s rhetoric to come to fruition.

What worried me the most were my concerns about the influence of theocratic Muslim dictatorships, including Qatar and Saudi Arabia, in a Hillary Clinton America. These dictatorships are no shining examples of progressive society with their failure to offer fundamental human rights and pathways to citizenship to immigrants from India, refugees from Syria and the entire class of de facto slaves that live in those dictatorships.

We have to stand up with moral courage against not just hate against Muslims, but hate by Muslims, so that everyone can live with sukhun, or peace of mind, I finished in my reflections to the journalist in India.

He didn’t get the email. I didn’t resend it, afraid of the wrath I’d receive. But, then, I voted.

   
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?client=safari

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2016, 10:00:29 AM »
Oh, I'd like to flee to Canada. I'd LOVE to flee to Canada. Get the hell away from Trumpland. Or at least move to a more Democratic state.

But you only like democracy when you win?

A perk with democracy is to be allowed to bitch about it.

I don't think that includes arson and threatening to kill people though.

Give Trump some time and I'm sure his version will.

We're talking about your type that are on the streets setting fires and people online calling for Trump to be killed.  Keep defending these thugs you hypocrite.

I thought that was your type. No, sorry, you'd only do that to Muslims.

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2016, 12:00:35 PM »
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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2016, 05:14:17 PM »
I love how the two biggest Trump fans here don't even live in this country.  :rofl:

No one remembers him shutting heat and water off to a bunch of tenants in the middle of the winter back in the 80's. I do.

I remember him on the Howard Stern show, I remember wife #1, #2, and #3's "modeling career"...and him making an ass out of himself for 20+ years.  :trainwreck:
 
I really hope he does something right. Until then though, I will remain jaded and unimpressed.  :yawn:

I think I can relate to this view. However, and this is a view from afar of course, Trump is at least himself.....with all his idiosyncrasies. I had both hoped and expected Hillary Clinton to win, but have had an increasing impression that she is is like an ocean liner...there is a lot more to see beneath the waterline (that I am very suspicious of) than is visible above. By the same token, more than half the world seems to think that Britain (England & Wales at least) was mad to vote for Brexit, but again there are local truths. Both these decisions appear, on first study, to be crazy and dangerous, but time will tell......

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Re: Fleeing to Canada?
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2016, 08:28:35 PM »
Oh, so anti-Trump people are the only ones guilty of violence and property destruction?