Could be Trump?

[Jack]

It was my understanding the ACA only specified women; could be wrong about that.

[Jack]

Free sterilization was part of my insurance plan in my early twenties, but assumed they offered it because it's cheaper than a birth.

[Icequeen]

It may be covered if you're a woman (mine was) but still not easily obtainable everywhere.

I know that here, 19+ years ago it was basically impossible to find a Dr. willing to perform the operation if you were childless...almost just as impossible if you only had one child, (I had to fight like hell...and my chart for future child-bearing basically had "high risk" stamped all over it). Unfortunately I hear from many that it still hasn't changed much.

[Jack]

That was the point; was talking about men's lack of effective choices. Looked it up and the ACA doesn't guarantee anything for men; though some insurance carriers may offer it, and a couple of states have individual state laws requiring insurance companies to also cover men.

[Icequeen]

I would have voted for Trump purely on his stance in Syria, fighting with Assad and Putin rather than against them.

"Trump launches military strike against Syria

The United States launched a military strike Thursday on a Syrian government target in retaliation for their chemical weapons attack on civilians earlier in the week.

On President Donald Trump's orders, US warships launched between 50-60 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a Syrian government airbase where the warplanes that carried out the chemical attacks were based, US officials said."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html

Oh wait...CNN is fake news...better pull that shit up on Fox. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/us-launches-missiles-into-syria-in-response-to-chemical-weapons-attack.html

["couldbecousin"]

Free sterilization was part of my insurance plan in my early twenties, but assumed they offered it because it's cheaper than a birth.

  I did my own free sterilization.  It's called "Be celibate till you're too old to conceive." 

[Al Swearegen]

They both wanted war. So what? It's not like they have different tactics or anything.

Clinton wanted to keep Obamacare as is and improve upon it over time.
Trump wanted to throw out every good part of Obamacare, and help make UnitedHealthcare even richer.
(While 24 million people lose their insurance.)

Clinton wanted to retain Obama's net neutrality and Internet privacy rules.
Trump wants to throw them out because Comcast doesn't like those rules.

Clinton wanted to invest more in green energy and climate change mitigation.
Trump wants to invest in coal and pretend climate change doesn't even fucking exist.
Even though Big Oil are finally acknowledging the problem of climate change.

Clinton wanted to actually help create jobs.
Trump wants to sit and do nothing but take credit every time a company happens to create 10 new jobs.

Clinton wanted to improve accessibility to family planning and reproductive care centers.
Trump wants to defund Planned Parenthood because abortion's bad, m'kay?

May I go on? Or should Al come up with more strawmans?

Hillary-ous. Irony knows no bounds.

If I can be bothered. I will take this apart piece by piece. But not now. Work tomorrow...today. Gotta go to bed or I will sleep in and won't wake my daughter and we will both be late.

Clinton wanted to keep Obamacare as is and improve upon it over time.
Trump wanted to throw out every good part of Obamacare, and help make UnitedHealthcare even richer.
(While 24 million people lose their insurance.)

Yes, work on the affordable part of the Affordable health act.





Woo Hoo. There is a health plan worth saving. 

Clinton wanted to retain Obama's net neutrality and Internet privacy rules.
Trump wants to throw them out because Comcast doesn't like those rules.

Did she? What did Obama want to do with the internet and what was his position?
Did Obama give away control of the internet from the US Government to a private organisation? The answer is either yes or it is no. Is giving control over to a private organisation (and considering that Private organisations are beholden to the shareholders and driven by the need to make a profit, whereas the government is driven by a need to fulfill its role of looking after it's citizens) making a good or a bad thing?Does keeping control of the net in the government give the net more or less censorship? Does it give the net more or less risk of a departure from neutrality?

No? http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/265087/hillary-clinton-censor-internet-or-people-will-die-daniel-greenfield
Hillary thinks censorship is good or bad? Morally speaking.

Clinton wanted to invest more in green energy and climate change mitigation.
Trump wants to invest in coal and pretend climate change doesn't even fucking exist.
Even though Big Oil are finally acknowledging the problem of climate change.

Does climate change exist?
Does man's interaction with the environment change the climate measurably?
How measurably?

Here is the thing, people get two positions confused. Is the climate "changing"? YES! Will it continue to change? Yes. Are some of these changes not beneficial for us? Yes.
Has the Earth always been changing? Yes. Was it changing before we were around? Yes. Will it continue to change long after we stop existing on this planet? Yes. Are some of these changes bad for humans? Yes.
Therefore is climate changing a result of man being on Earth? Some. Maybe. To some extent. Perhaps.
How much? Dunno.

When people deny climate change the Liberals call them stupid and say that it is proved that the environment is changing and the climate is changing and so ...duh....man is changing the environment and so the climate is changing. But is he. If so to what extent. To what extent would any measure make any difference?

It is not known and it is all theory. It would be beyond stupid to thing that nothing man does has any affect on anything or that there is not measurable changes in the climate or whatever. But it would be equally as stupid to blame this all on man. Somewhere on a VERY long spectrum lays the truth and everyone is entitled to an opinion and NO ONE has trhe ultimate truth on this.

Anyone who pretends to is made more foolish by the pronouncement.

So.....your point?

Clinton wanted to actually help create jobs.
Trump wants to sit and do nothing but take credit every time a company happens to create 10 new jobs.

Nothing? Okay

Campaign Promise 1: To replace Antonin Scalia with a like-minded justice from a list of 20
The Nomination of Neil Gorsuch who is one of the most qualified people ever nominated to the SCOTUS whose nomination to the 10th Circuit Court was unanimously approved by Republicans, and Democrats including Cuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden in 2006. And before the opposition says "but, Merrick Garland" tell them to look up up the Biden Rule
Campaign Promise 2: To suspend immigration from terror-prone countries
Trump has attempted to enact a Travel Ban that is 100% CONSTITUTIONAL AND is made from the seven (six, now) "countries of concern" outlined by the Hussein Administration. This has been blocked by an extremely liberal Hawaiian judge who was appointed by Obama. (The blocking of this travel ban might piss me off more than anything that has happened during his presidency, because judges should be blind to politics, but that is proving to be false.) Hopefully this will go to the Supreme Court and be overturned quickly.
Campaign Promise 3: To defund and crack down on sanctuary cities
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on sanctuary cities, threatening to defund them
Campaign Promise 4: To revive the Keystone Pipeline and Dakota Access Pipeline
The revival of the Dakota and Keystone XL Pipelines creating American jobs
Campaign Promise 5: To pull the US out of the TPP, an Obama-era trade deal detrimental to the US
Trump pulled us out of the TPP which would have been absolutely disastrous for the US
Campaign Promise 6: DONALD TRUMP LOVES WOMEN AND WANTS TO HELP WOMEN!
Trump has signed an Executive Order promoting women in STEM jobs (careers real feminists strive for, not "dance therapy" feminists)
Trump has Launched a Council empowering female leaders and female entrepreneurs
Campaign Promise 7: To renegotiate, or pull out of Bill Clinton's terrible trade deal, NAFTA
Trump met with Justin Trudeau (what a joke) to discuss the tweaking of NAFTA to benefit the US more, after he threatens to leave it
Campaign Promise 8: To undo ridiculous Obama-era federal agency regulations
Trump ordered a two-for-one repeal for all new regulations enacted by federal agencies
Campaign Promise 9: To rollback Obama-era regulations on small businesses
Trump has rolled back ridiculous Obama-era regulations that have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to hire employees
Campaign Promise 10: To help America's inner-cities deeply in need of rebuilding
Trump has signed an Executive Order to give major funding to "Historically Black Colleges and Universities," helping out inner-cities immensely
Campaign Promise 11: To protect our policemen, the true everyday heroes
Trump signed an Executive Order protecting our police
Campaign Promise 12: To crackdown on illegal immigration and to BUILD A WALL
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on illegal immigration and he has started the WALL initiative
Campaign Promise 13: To bolster our depleted military
Trump has increased our military budget because we don't want to use our military, but want to be prepared to use it
Campaign Promise 14: To enact a five year lobbying ban on government Officials after they leave office
Trump has placed a five year and lifetime lobbying ban on government officials for when they leave office
Campaign Promise 15: To crackdown on drug cartels and illegal drugs crossing the border
Trump signed an Executive Order cracking down on drug cartels
Campaign Promise 16: To revitalize the dying coal industry in the US
Trump has enacted Joint Resolution 38 putting thousands of coal miners back to work
Campaign Promise 17: To create American JOBS and bring companies back to America
Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier promising to bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US.
Trump has met with CEOs from huge companies to work on bringing jobs back to America
There was an increase of 298,000 jobs in February alone (liberals will say that counts in Obama's fiscal year, but we know the truth)
Trump met with Intel CEO who promised $7 Billion investment and over 3,000 high paying (not "shovel ready" bullshit jobs) in America
Trump met with the CEO of Softbank who has promised 50,000 more American jobs and has already fulfilled 3,000 of those jobs
Kroger has promised over 10,000 new jobs in the era of Trump
The month of March yielded 263,000 new jobs, which passes the month's estimated 185,000 Big League
Campaign Promise 18: Pushing NATO allies to pay their fair share or face the reality of the US possibly leaving
Trump has put major pressure on the members of NATO to pay their fair and equal share because there are only a handful of countries in NATO who currently pay as much as agreed upon
Campaign Promise 19: To make America energy independent, relieving us from our dependence on foreign entities, such as OPEC
Trump has taken major steps towards America's energy independence
Campaign Promise 20: To enact a hiring freeze on government employees to help stop corruption
Trump enacted a hiring freeze to all federal employees, cutting down on the over-bloated bureaucracy
Campaign Promise 21: Trump could be the president that takes us to Mars!
Trump signed a Bill allowing NASA funding, including an exploration to Mars
Campaign Promise 22: To undo many of Obama's unconstitutional Executive Orders
Rescinding (one of) Obama's incredibly unconstitutional actions regarding transgender bathrooms in schools
Campaign Promise 23: The repeal and replacement of Obamacare. The recent GOP fallout of AHCA Plan was no fault of Trump's. The blame solely belongs to Speaker Ryan. He created a shit bill and couldn't even capitalize to get enough votes. Obamacare will crash in 2017 when individual mandates kick in and Democrats will be to blame. That is when Trump will truly work to Repeal and Replace it with a plan he promised us.
Trump got rid of the idiotic penalty in Obamacare that fines you if you choose not to participate in the program
Campaign Promise 24: To "Bomb the shit out of ISIS"
He called for a drone strike in Afghanistan killing Qari Yasin, a Pakistani Al-Qaeda leader
Campaign Promise 25: To not take a salary as President
He donated his first quarterly salary to the National Park Service
ACTIONS NOT PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN PUT IN EFFECT:
(Even though it was Mike Pence) The defunding of clinics that perform abortions. Because no matter whether you are pro-choice/pro-life, the government should not be funding abortions. (Also, if people bring up the Hyde Amendment which is supposed to not let any federal funding go towards abortions, LET THEM KNOW that US taxpayers pay for about 24% of abortions despite of that "amendment")
Huge spikes in the NASDAQ average index and the DOW average index starting November 8th. (This will count for Obama unfortunately, but we know where the real credit belongs.)
He has placed sanctions on Iran after they tested ballistic missiles
He has met with/talked to over 30 foreign leaders.
Trump has moved on to tax reform, lowering taxes for Americans
He negotiated down the Price of the new Air Force One one billion dollars in a meeting that lasted just one hour
He issued major cuts to the costs of the F-35 saving billions

Clinton wanted to improve accessibility to family planning and reproductive care centers.
Trump wants to defund Planned Parenthood because abortion's bad, m'kay?

Abortion is good? No, it isn't. So with that out the way we can look at the nuance.
Obviously, the are competing rights. The baby's rights? The mother's rights? The Father's rights? There are some who given this, say only the Mother's say is important. She should be able to terminate pregnancies on demand and the state should pay for this in all instances. Some people say that it is immoral and that no one should pay for this and it should be banned. There is no RIGHT answer in this. However, it is certainly true that there are a lot of people with a lot of opinions on it.
So how does a politician accept that committing taxpayers money to this that many of the taxpayers find repugnant is not accceptable and at the same time, many people consider it a natural and human right? What is the answer to such situations? One is to allow planned parenting to run but allowing it to fund itself. That way the people that DOP support these services can support it. Another is to say that Liberal cities are more likely to support abortion laws and Conservative cities aren't and rather than having the most people in a city or a state upset by one law forced on them over this issue, they can each vote and voice their opinion in the voting booths around abortion. So each state chooses their own collective tolerance rather than the nation stipulating a national standard


Damn.

[MLA]

Hold on.  You're a climate denier now?

[Phallacy]

I've lost the ability to read thanks to Les's long and poorly formatted and written post.

[benjimanbreeg]

I would have voted for Trump purely on his stance in Syria, fighting with Assad and Putin rather than against them.

"Trump launches military strike against Syria

The United States launched a military strike Thursday on a Syrian government target in retaliation for their chemical weapons attack on civilians earlier in the week.

On President Donald Trump's orders, US warships launched between 50-60 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a Syrian government airbase where the warplanes that carried out the chemical attacks were based, US officials said."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html

Oh wait...CNN is fake news...better pull that shit up on Fox. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/us-launches-missiles-into-syria-in-response-to-chemical-weapons-attack.html

   Give yourself a pat on the back Captain Hindsight.  You never fail to amaze me when it comes to showboating your retardation and ignorance. 

The one thing that Trump had been consistent on was Syria, for nearly 3 months he'd reversed Obama's policy of supporting terrorist groups like Al Nusra and Assad was winning the war.  I definitely fell for Trump's stance with Syria, but it just shows that he's a puppet to the arms industry, not Putin.  So it's you lot with egg on your faces regarding that.  Obama had attacked the Syrian army, but claimed it was a mistake    And Clinton would have just done it sooner.  I wonder if you fucktards will now use that same level of outrage against Trump after doing this.  Or as I've said before, you're so backward that you'll make out the US has bombed them just because of Trump.  Trump is just doing what Zio neocons have wanted him to do.  Israel bombed Syria a couple of weeks ago, this is their war, as usual.  Who knows, maybe he done one of his wonderful 'deals' and agreed to change his stance on Syria if the hawks didn't have him impeached. 

[Phallacy]

Who the hell is going to impeach Trump?

[Jack]

Woo Hoo. There is a health plan worth saving. 

That's probably a bunch of crap.

[Jack]

That's probably a bunch of crap.

That's not to say Obamacare isn't a financial problem for some people; some still simply can't afford it. Though the ACA isn't entirely to blame; there are 22 states which have refused government incentives to expand their state Medicaid programs to include adults without children who fall within a certain income level. Those are the states where people are also experiencing the highest increases in ACA insurance rates. Still, as for that image, probably didn't happen. For example, I don't qualify for Obamacare because I already have a health insurance option available which the government deems adequate an affordable, so I have to take that option or go searching in the marketplace myself for something else. People aren't switching to Obamacare, unless it's determined workplace plans are inadequate coverage and/or unaffordable, and with the new rules for insurance carriers in place that's probably not happening much either.

[benjimanbreeg]

Who the hell is going to impeach Trump?

Well Russia apparently controls the US, so Russia maybe?  Especially now he's upset them.  Maybe they had hacked his brain, but then when you guys shaved his head the other day he found the hacking chip inside and removed it.  There's no other explanation. 

Everyone was trying to impeach him a few days ago, but now he's seen the light and started bombing Syria, he's become a good person. 

[Icequeen]

   Give yourself a pat on the back Captain Hindsight.  You never fail to amaze me when it comes to showboating your retardation and ignorance. 

Yep, I'm a tard that never forgets. I like to rattle the cage a little when I can Mr. Billiant.

I still have my bottle of impeachment wine stored away waiting...nothings changed.

If anything I'm a bit even more disturbed now that he's testing out the war machine. I think he pulled the trigger too fast, and he strikes me as the type that might grow to enjoy playing army way too much. This week Syria...next week N. Korea.

Russia pissed off? Somehow I'm doubting that, although I think they may act the part for awhile.

He called Russia to tell them before the strike...but not congress.