So because they don't embrace diversity and freedom, we don't need to either? Or we can selectively exclude things we don't like or understand or agree with?
A totally out there concept, I know BUT maybe if any individual is coming to a host country, not being tolerant, trading the country with respect and adhering to social norms, maybe it is not up to the country to try them with respect and tolerance?
I know that your views differ--you'd rather ban some groups from entering in the first place--but the whole idea of respect and tolerance is a two-way street if you aspire to any degree of democracy, religious freedom and all that bullshit.
A fairly basic idea here (but again, it may not be where you are) is that our law enforcement should not force a woman to remove some arbitrarily selected pieces of clothing under threat of violence and fines.
What a ridiculous reply. Nothing you raised related to anything.
Firstly, yes I thinking banning radical Muslim immigrants is something every rational person wants. I also support America doing a moratorium on Muslim immigration until they can improve a flawed vetting system so that they can improve their chances of having Muslim come to America that are not radical Muslim extremists and at risk of doing them harm. Its a sensible idea.
What has that got to do with whether France decides to have a Burkini ban? Not a fucking lot.
Now do I find Burkinis offensive? Not in the slightest. Do I think we should ban them here? I don't think anyone would care too much. But that is not the point at all. It is not whether i personally have an issue with it. It is whether the French do. IF they decide for whatever reason that the Burkini is no good and there is a law against it, fine. There are a lot of laws I think are strange or extreme. Try graffiting in Singapore. You get the rattan. Having a joint in Netherlands is fine and in Thailand a year in jail if caught. Women NOT covering up and wearing a hijab in Saudi Arabia is punishable and in France women wearing a Burkini is punishable. Different laws for different places. Different standards and different expectations. I think that is fine. If you go to another country, they are going to have different laws and cultures and expectations, YOU have to fit in with them NOT they to you. I do not begrudge them having their own laws and enforcing said laws.
But I DO think it is stupid that people feel like it is wrong for the French to enforce their rules and laws. Like when that American kid got caught doing graffiti in Singapore and the American government threatened Singapore when Singapore said they were going to use the rattan on him. It was barbaric and the kid was a poor thing and too young and everything else. Nope they gave him the rattan and sent him back home. I say fair enough. It was their law, he infringed on their law. If Western Women go to Saudi Arabia and decide that the hijab is not for them and decide to buck the law and take it off and then get punished for it, too bad, they broke the law. If people in France decide to break the law too bad. It is hypocritical for someone who is from a culture that has cultural restrictions on clothing to then find themselves objecting to a different culture placing different values on clothing.
So well done Odeon, you made precisely no point, again.
