Mass shootings can't happen in Germany because of gun control.

[Jack]

What media outlet are 'liberal'?

The vast majority are here.

In what way?

By reporting news stories which support left-wing politics, and/or promoting a left-wing opinionated slant to reporting of events. While there are a couple of mainstream news outlets in the US which are considered to have a conservative bias, and all news outlets probably display some degree of centrism, US news generally has a liberal political tone.

'Liberal' you mean?  They are liberal in the slightest.  Call it 'left wing' if you want.  They are just all corporate/globalist media.

Liberal and conservative political viewpoints are synonymous with left and right wing in the US.

Apparently so. 

What does it mean where you are?

[Al Swearegen]

My money is on butthurt, then, probably combined with that other thing.

This is like talking politics with a five year old. It's fun for a while but ultimately utterly futile and a bit nasty.

Its an interesting picture you paint. It's on the heels of you inferring gold stars should be given for good behaviour and blacks should have their guns taken away.

So holding with what I said above, taking what you say with a grain of salt is best.

I'm sorry, did you have a point?

Don't be sorry. I am not upset by your lack of comprehension. You talk a lot of shit and so people need not take much of what you say as of any merit.

[Al Swearegen]

Therefore....which "angle" do you go for? As I said, bit of A and bit of B

It appears now not to be a coincidence that all his victims were foreigners. Not only did he admire Breivik.  He also seemed to admire Hitler. That he took pride in being a German is what clearly can be heard in the footage.

I think that bit of option B can be skipped.

A: This guy was a Muslim guy and radicalised and his attack was a terror attack and inspired by the radical Muslim extremists complete with the "God is great" pronouncement.
That is on the face of things straight up Radical Muslim extremism.


B: He was young
He was a loner
He was mentally ill
He was not a card carrying ISIS member
He was inspired rather than conscripted

I think that we should still keep B.

Both have their place.

To be honest I am now not even thinking on this guy I am thinking of the decapitated French Priest.

[odeon]

Because of their cheerleading to pour millions of Arab and African Muslims into Europe?

Because it is the humane thing to do. In case you didn't know, there is a war going on and people are fleeing for their lives.

No it is not, it's the most idiotic thing to do.  The most humane thing to do is not destroy countries so that people have a reason to leave, and then encourage them to do so by making it well known that they will now be picked up a few miles of the coast of Libya if they try to get to Europe by boat.  They ought to told that they have no place in Europe and they will be taken straight back to their set sail from.  Or better still, stop the boats leaving shore.

It would be far better if the war could be stopped. The vast majority of these people didn't (and don't) want to leave--they, like most of us, have built up their lives in their home countries, and having to leave everything behind is not what any one of us wants.

There is room in Europe, plenty of room, and the people are going to board those boats--any boats--regardless. The logical thing for us to do would be to make it safer for them. I'd suggest providing transport. It would probably save both money and lives.

[odeon]

My money is on butthurt, then, probably combined with that other thing.

This is like talking politics with a five year old. It's fun for a while but ultimately utterly futile and a bit nasty.

Its an interesting picture you paint. It's on the heels of you inferring gold stars should be given for good behaviour and blacks should have their guns taken away.

So holding with what I said above, taking what you say with a grain of salt is best.

I'm sorry, did you have a point?

Don't be sorry. I am not upset by your lack of comprehension. You talk a lot of shit and so people need not take much of what you say as of any merit.

"People" meaning you. The others here are capable of a discussion.

I suggested ending this a long time ago, pointing out that this will probably ruin whatever friendship we had, and I would say it has. I am still willing to stop, if you are. Do you think something can be gained by continuing this now? Let's face it, Al. Neither of us will engage in a serious discussion with the other under the current circumstances, but we will create a lot of noise for others. Is that really what we want?

['andersom']

Therefore....which "angle" do you go for? As I said, bit of A and bit of B

It appears now not to be a coincidence that all his victims were foreigners. Not only did he admire Breivik.  He also seemed to admire Hitler. That he took pride in being a German is what clearly can be heard in the footage.

I think that bit of option B can be skipped.

A: This guy was a Muslim guy and radicalised and his attack was a terror attack and inspired by the radical Muslim extremists complete with the "God is great" pronouncement.
That is on the face of things straight up Radical Muslim extremism.


B: He was young
He was a loner
He was mentally ill
He was not a card carrying ISIS member
He was inspired rather than conscripted

I think that we should still keep B.

Both have their place.

To be honest I am now not even thinking on this guy I am thinking of the decapitated French Priest.

Your pick, whether my mixing up of A and B is due to a horrible sense of humour or total fatique. Both could be equally true.
I meant you could skip the IS factor here.

The French Priest has nothing to do with the German Media.

My whole point was not about if IS is a real threat or not. I was questioning your thoughts on the German Media.

['andersom']

When it comes to IS, my thoughts are with the people of Kabul too. And with the Jezidi's. In Afganistan some IS soldiers return back to the fold of the Taliban, because IS is too much for them.

When it comes to dangers at home? In my country, I find Erdohan way more creepy than IS at the moment. Because he is so horribly well organised, and seems to combine GDR and former Romanian tactics to keep a grip on his people.
the signs have been there for quite a while, but it is growing exponentially now. He has outdone Putin by far when it comes to creepy and effective behaviour.

['andersom']

German forces do tread more carefully than the French. They have right extremism to deal with, IS threats, but also a history of enforcement that went way beyond the boundaries of decent behaviour. They know how power can corrupt. Makes it a bit harder for them to find a tougher way. They have a caveat on their mind.

More countries could do with a caveat on their mind, when it comes to extending powers of enforcement.

[Al Swearegen]

Therefore....which "angle" do you go for? As I said, bit of A and bit of B

It appears now not to be a coincidence that all his victims were foreigners. Not only did he admire Breivik.  He also seemed to admire Hitler. That he took pride in being a German is what clearly can be heard in the footage.

I think that bit of option B can be skipped.

A: This guy was a Muslim guy and radicalised and his attack was a terror attack and inspired by the radical Muslim extremists complete with the "God is great" pronouncement.
That is on the face of things straight up Radical Muslim extremism.


B: He was young
He was a loner
He was mentally ill
He was not a card carrying ISIS member
He was inspired rather than conscripted

I think that we should still keep B.

Both have their place.

To be honest I am now not even thinking on this guy I am thinking of the decapitated French Priest.

Your pick, whether my mixing up of A and B is due to a horrible sense of humour or total fatique. Both could be equally true.
I meant you could skip the IS factor here.

The French Priest has nothing to do with the German Media.

My whole point was not about if IS is a real threat or not. I was questioning your thoughts on the German Media.

My thoughts are the same and have been laid out.

[Al Swearegen]

German forces do tread more carefully than the French. They have right extremism to deal with, IS threats, but also a history of enforcement that went way beyond the boundaries of decent behaviour. They know how power can corrupt. Makes it a bit harder for them to find a tougher way. They have a caveat on their mind.

More countries could do with a caveat on their mind, when it comes to extending powers of enforcement.

Here is where you and I slightly differ. I actually agree with you to a point BUT letting collective guilt, fear and caution bind hands even binding them loosely is a mistake. It allows one to be taken advantage of. Now this is possibly my own values projected, but be that as it may, I happen to believe in what i believe.

['andersom']

My thoughts are the same and have been laid out.

Now I wonder when the shooting boy shouted the Allah is Great thing. Don't think he did. So don't think the media were covering anything up.

[Al Swearegen]

My thoughts are the same and have been laid out.

Now I wonder when the shooting boy shouted the Allah is Great thing. Don't think he did. So don't think the media were covering anything up.

It has been reported as such in 3 or 4 international papers so I can assume it's true. This isthe worry of the Radical Muslim extremist

['andersom']

My thoughts are the same and have been laid out.

Now I wonder when the shooting boy shouted the Allah is Great thing. Don't think he did. So don't think the media were covering anything up.

It has been reported as such in 3 or 4 international papers so I can assume it's true. This isthe worry of the Radical Muslim extremist

What I read, there was a young guy in a suburb of München attacking with a knife, while shouting that Allah is great. What I heard on the footage of the shooter, and what I read in the papers about the shooter, in München, was that he shouted "Ich bin Deutscher".

[Al Swearegen]

My thoughts are the same and have been laid out.

Now I wonder when the shooting boy shouted the Allah is Great thing. Don't think he did. So don't think the media were covering anything up.

It has been reported as such in 3 or 4 international papers so I can assume it's true. This isthe worry of the Radical Muslim extremist

What I read, there was a young guy in a suburb of München attacking with a knife, while shouting that Allah is great. What I heard on the footage of the shooter, and what I read in the papers about the shooter, in München, was that he shouted "Ich bin Deutscher".

See this is the thing and I hope you can appreciate what I am saying here.
As I have mentioned I am done justifying my position over and over. You may have whatever positions and that is fine.
* I said why I say that this is (in my mind) an example of radical Muslim extremism and that the papers were wrong in not acknowledging it.
* You asked why and I told you why I believed it to be so.
* You disputed that .
* Fine, I highlighted that I still believe it to be so and why, but conceded that there could be other factors in play that you had mentioned.
* You doubted one of the factors I had mentioned (saying "God is great")
* I had said this was true and reported in international papers so I am assuming that.
* Not convinced, you cast doubt on what I said and you dispute it again.

Fine Hyke, I don't care. You were right, I am wrong. You were right all along in whatever you want to be the reality of the situation, and conversely I was wrong in believing what I believe based on the facts of the matter. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/what-know-ali-david-sonboly-8476548
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704481/Loner-son-taxi-driver-department-store-worker-waged-terror-Munich-Iranian-German-teenager-18-targeted-innocent-children-gunned-nine-McDonald-s-massacre.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/
http://www.pi-news.net/2016/07/ali-david-sonboly-in-vorbereitungsklasse/

Each of these international papers has recorded that he was heard saying "allahu akbar". This is translated to "God is great" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahu_Akbar_(disambiguation).
This is commonly used before a radical Muslim extremist attack or radical Muslim terrorist attack by the perpetrator....as it was here.

By all means please feel free to keep telling me I got it wrong but you will understand I will stop re-explaining myself and justifying my view over and over. I understand you don't agree with me and want me to be wrong, and you right (about whatever it is that you were wanting to be right in).

Please feel free to consider me bowing out of this. I will not seek to explain or justify myself again over this matter to you. I thought what I thought. I explained. I clarified. Consider yourself the winner of the exchange or whatever. Doubt everything I said or my reasons for having said it. But it is at an end for me.

I was not that attached to this monster enough to invest any more energy in him. It got very old news very quickly.

[odeon]

How very condescending of you.