Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.

['Butterflies']

Which is why I am annoyed with the way you're acting, as in I see you as a friend but am gutted by the way you are acting.  I have complete contempt for your views on this issue but would have accepted and tolerated the result if it had been in your favor.  Do you think I wanted that fraud Cameron to win the General Election?  I dealt with it and didn't start crying and saying I wanted to leave the country.

I hate Cameron too, but he only won a couple of elections. He was never going to destroy the country. Lot's of people hate Cameron, but accepted the fact he won the election. Does that not give you some kind of hint at the depth of feeling against Brexit?

Gove and Boris can say what the fuck they want, it is the British people who are in charge and they are sick of seeing their country turn into some corporate wank sock, even if they don't understand the full details.  If the full facts were shown to the public, regarding the Lisbon Treaty and how the Irish were ignored with that, then the percentage would have been closer to 90% to leave.  It was a British Exit from a hideous corporate machine, hence why the corporate machine and their puppets are crying.

OK, that's maybe what you think you were voting for, but it's not really what you're going to get.
Do you really think you've ushered in some kind of new golden dawn in British politics where the people are in control? In terms of domestic politics, it's just going to be business as usual. A shit Labour party versus an absolutely vile Tory party, just in a poorer country, with probably a LOT more racism and unpleasantness.

Already we are seeing that their could be some kind of deal to mean we are basically in the EU but not in the name.

You mean a deal where we stay in the single market, and accept freedom of movement?

If we can achieve this, then great. It's probably the best case scenario from here.
It would really beg the question though. What the fuck has Brexit achieved? You've dragged the country to the brink of destruction. Made it poorer. Caused untold misery for a sustained period in the country. Ensured that the Tories are even further right wing. And all for nothing. You won't even get rid of the foreigners

He didn't win the first one and he got elected the second time because he promised a referendum the second time.  That option was forced upon him by the BNP firstly and then by UKIP.  He and Osbourne have already destroyed the country.  We've destroyed a smoke screen, and now people will learn that the European Union wasn't the real problem.  What are you talking about?  The majority of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.  They accepted he won because they wanted to vote to leave and because the majority of us are tolerant. 

The working class want to stop being accused of racism for not wanting their wages lowered for the corporate machine and their communities destroyed in a flash.  Start listening to the working class and stop trying to force them to listen to you, which was my exact point on a radio station on Friday. 

The working class here do not want mass immigration, despite what Gove wants.  We need to basically shut the doors.

The majority of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.

No they didn't. Around 17 million did.

The working class want to stop being accused of racism for not wanting their wages lowered for the corporate machine and their communities destroyed in a flash.  Start listening to the working class and stop trying to force them to listen to you, which was my exact point on a radio station on Friday.

I think you have a low opinion of the working classes. It wasn't the working classes who voted Brexit. It was the patriotic idiots that voted Brexit. Plenty of working class people voted remain. You don't speak for the working class

The working class here do not want mass immigration, despite what Gove wants.  We need to basically shut the doors.

I disagree with everything you say on Brexit, but this is just disgusting

Vile and fucking racist

And again, don't dare try and claim that you speak for the working class, especially when you're speaking such vile racist bullshit.

Most of my friends are working class, and you certainly don't speak for them

You speak for yourself, and perhaps other racists. Not the working classes

[benjimanbreeg]

You're right Butterflies, about Cameron etc.  But going back, around 2009, the BNP won a load of council seats and the British people have had enough, then the corporate machine decided to give us something, which was Farage and UKIP, putting Farage on the BBC every week.  This lead to Cameron offering the vote which he had actually offered in 2010. 

Cameron and his masters thought they'd win the vote easily, even using Jo Cox's death as propaganda.  But the British people have spoken.  Sure, a lot of them don't realise why they've made the correct choice, but this is the first step. 

[benjimanbreeg]

You really don't understand what the working class actually are.  You can't move away from the country and tell us what we should vote for.  The working class have had enough of their wages being smashed.  I live here and have worked with as well as for the working class of the past and present.  You live in a dream world Butterflies.  The result speaks for itself.  Live with it. 

[Jack]

I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before

It was a couple years ago, around the same time, and seemingly in direct response to the Scottish referendum to leave the UK, there were news headlines about North Ireland polls to join the republic of Ireland. Though it may have never amounted to any more than public polls and interesting world news.

['Butterflies']

I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before

It was a couple years ago, around the same time, and seemingly in direct response to the Scottish referendum to leave the UK, there were news headlines about North Ireland polls to join the republic of Ireland. Though it may have never amounted to any more than public polls and interesting world news.

I'm genuinely surprised. I was probably living in Northern Ireland at the time. Historically, America's always had a strange obsession with Irish nationalism, so I'm guessing it was a grossly exaggerated, or downright false story.
The only genuine concern in N.Ireland at the time was that a vote for Scottish independence could damage N.Irelands place in the UK.

['Butterflies']

You really don't understand what the working class actually are.  You can't move away from the country and tell us what we should vote for.  The working class have had enough of their wages being smashed.  I live here and have worked with as well as for the working class of the past and present.  You live in a dream world Butterflies.  The result speaks for itself.  Live with it.

You can't move away from the country and tell us what we should vote for.

Why? Technically I had as much right to vote as you

You really don't understand what the working class actually are.

Yes I do. I smell them every time I use public transport

Seriously, it's you who doesn't understand what the working class are. You think that being working class means racist, ignorant, and uneducated. This is not what working class is. That is an insult to the working class.

[Jack]

I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before

It was a couple years ago, around the same time, and seemingly in direct response to the Scottish referendum to leave the UK, there were news headlines about North Ireland polls to join the republic of Ireland. Though it may have never amounted to any more than public polls and interesting world news.

I'm genuinely surprised. I was probably living in Northern Ireland at the time. Historically, America's always had a strange obsession with Irish nationalism, so I'm guessing it was a grossly exaggerated, or downright false story.
The only genuine concern in N.Ireland at the time was that a vote for Scottish independence could damage N.Irelands place in the UK.

In looking at old headlines, it appears there was a slight push for a referendum and boarder removal poll, but it never went beyond public polling. So probably not a huge exaggeration, just some news about nothing. US news might have been an interest trigger, but it may not have been US news. Things like this are more interesting from a different perspective, and none of what I've read about any of this has been US news. Who cares what the US has to say about it?

[odeon]

Hey, it's fair enough.

Not really. The UK is a powerful global influence and important to the world's economy, and that wont change regardless of associations with the EU; it's not in anyone's best interest to wish them failure as a nation.

I don't think you really understand

The UK is a union of nations. The largest, England, voted to leave the UK. Much smaller Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU.

This has inevitably lead to huge debate as to whether the UK can survive. There is a huge amount of discussion about Scotland holding a referendum on independence, and a smaller amount of discussion on Northern Ireland rejoining Ireland.

After being dragged out of the EU against our will, I think Scotland and N.Ireland should go their own way. This would obviously mean that the UK would cease to exist. Many Scots and N:Irish would rather be EU citizens, than UK citizens.

So, I hope that the UK fails to survive this.

Odeon's question made most sense, if it's assumed he was suggesting that the UK may break up into it's constituent parts.  Obviously, I hope that Scotland, N.Ireland, Wales, and N.Ireland survive this, but obviously they'll survive it. The countries aren't going to cease to exist.

Sorry, I'm in a hurry. If that doesn't make sense, I'll try and explain it better.

It's what I meant, yes.

It's also worth noting that there is a petition floating around about London leaving, too.

[odeon]

Fucking awful

Genuinely feel devastated

Stayed up all night watching the results come through with a growing sense of horror.

Got about an hours sleep, and now I just want to cry

Yeah, my colleagues in London spent most of the time cursing when I talked to them this morning. It's a disaster.

I don't think most of the people who voted know how bad this is.

That's because London is in a bubble and has no idea what happens in the real world.  The backbone of the country has spoken!  Democracy has one, the corporate machine has taken a smashing but will punish the working class for making the wrong choice.

Actually I think it's rather the other way around. The real world is not just some shithole in Wales these days, like it or not. Isolationism doesn't work.

[odeon]

You really don't understand what the working class actually are.  You can't move away from the country and tell us what we should vote for.  The working class have had enough of their wages being smashed.  I live here and have worked with as well as for the working class of the past and present.  You live in a dream world Butterflies.  The result speaks for itself.  Live with it.

You're in for a surprise, Benji. Brexit will hurt the "working class" far more than the any other "class" but unfortunately you and your likes have yet to realise it. I'm betting you will, though, since a recession is very much character-building in that respect.

I'm also betting that even now, a mere two days after the fact, enough people who voted Leave have woken up to spot the first couple of the many broken promises and outright lies, and a very different result would be the outcome if another referendum was held.

And finally, while Merkel and a few others think there is no reason to be particularly nasty, they are a minority. I suspect any deal the UK is likely to get will either severely limit access to the European market or force the UK to agree with every major regulation in place, meaning that in reality, Brexis will have achieved very little beyond the UK losing its right to vote.

[FourAceDeal]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48

The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher. Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.

What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   

What can I say. I've always hated the attitude, "If you don't like the direction of the country, you"re free to leave." Especially coming from somebody who appears to have just voted to make it significantly harder to leave the country

Says the Irish passport holder living in Budapest.  This isn't even your vote.

[FourAceDeal]

I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before

It was a couple years ago, around the same time, and seemingly in direct response to the Scottish referendum to leave the UK, there were news headlines about North Ireland polls to join the republic of Ireland. Though it may have never amounted to any more than public polls and interesting world news.

The only way someone could think that will happen is if they had no idea about Irish or British history. 

[FourAceDeal]

Vile and fucking racist

And again, don't dare try and claim that you speak for the working class, especially when you're speaking such vile racist bullshit.

Most of my friends are working class, and you certainly don't speak for them

You speak for yourself, and perhaps other racists. Not the working classes

So in your version of the world 52% of Britains are racists?  It's all that simple?  No one had any valid arguements against the EU at all except racist one?

[FourAceDeal]

It's also worth noting that there is a petition floating around about London leaving, too.

That's just another indication how the London based media are getting hysterical and desperate.  London is a bubble.  It is out of touch with the realities of the rest of the country.

Incidentally...  the rest of the UK would secretly like Lonodon to fuck off too. 

But that aside, this is all piss and smoke.  It's nothing but a childish reaction of the Blairite centre left.

['Butterflies']

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48

The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher. Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.

What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   

What can I say. I've always hated the attitude, "If you don't like the direction of the country, you"re free to leave." Especially coming from somebody who appears to have just voted to make it significantly harder to leave the country

Says the Irish passport holder living in Budapest.  This isn't even your vote.

I had as much right to vote as you. This vote probably affected those living in the EU more than the people living in Britain. I wasn't able to vote though, because of a self-imposed voter registration fuck-up.

Your comment does kinda show the true nature of the Brexiteer. Only Little Englanders should be allowed to vote on something that effects everybody
Let's stop blacks and Asians from voting too. After all, they're not true Brits