Oh, I understand. The UK is a sovereign state with its own government; it's a nation with a high ranking seat in the United Nations, and will stand by the statement it's not in anyone's interest to wish failure on the UK as a nation.
I don't think anyone wishes "failure on the UK as a nation," as such.
Northern Ireland belonging to UK is a historical travesty. Ireland should be united, but obviously political problems have put paid to that in the past. If the opportunity comes along to undo that mistake peacefully, then it has to be seriously explored. Any reasonable person has to agree
A large proportion of Scots, myself included, feel more European than British. After the outrageous decision by the English and Welsh to drag us out of the EU against our will, a lot of us think we would be better being independent and a member of the EU.
Now, it's fair enough that you oppose Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's yours.
I can't understand why seem to think that to want Scottish independence, or Irish reunification, is in some way unreasonable.
Why does Scotland, a country in it's own right, not deserve the right to right to self-determination?
Why is it better for Ireland to remain an island divided, if by some chance the people of N.Ireland actually want reunification?
Your questions are loaded with things I didn't say. Don't tell me what my opinions are. Personally not apposed to or in favor of any of it, and it would be silly for me to be either, but do believe it's not economically or politically wise. You said you hope the UK doesn't survive. Now you're being more clear about what that means. The UK was the UK long before it was part of the EU, would probably be fine without the EU, and these individual state issues of sovereignty already existed and have been brought up before They're nothing new, Scotland held a referendum to leave the UK only two years ago and caused North Ireland to get all flappy right along with them. With the understanding this vote doesn't actually mean anything, will have to agree with FourAceDeal, in that it's a lot of political muscle flexing. No one has made any decision to do or drag or force anything. Still can't help but view it as a powerful UK bargaining tool in negotiating with the EU. If that's all it is, then it's very smart. It was even smart to lie to the public in order to get a majority public poll. Governments don't stir up and scare the public like this for nothing, and am personally guessing there's probably some much bigger agenda at stake than what's on the surface and the general public doesn't even realize it. Sometimes see it when the government stirs things here, sometime not until later, and probably sometimes miss it completely; it's like slight of hand. Maybe will realize something in hindsight about the UK and add it to my personal global conspiracy theory.
Your questions are loaded with things I didn't say. Don't tell me what my opinions are.
Ok. Looks like there was misunderstandings on both sides.
Scotland held a referendum to leave the UK only two years ago and caused North Ireland to get all flappy right along with them.
I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before
With the understanding this vote doesn't actually mean anything, will have to agree with FourAceDeal, in that it's a lot of political muscle flexing. No one has made any decision to do or drag or force anything.
I would love to think that you're right, but I'm certain this is entirely wrong
Legally, the result of this vote is non-binding, but there's no likelihood of the government failing to act upon the result. The supporters of the ruling government are mostly Eurosceptic, and to go back on their word would be electoral suicide. Also, the pro-Europe Prime Minister has resigned and is likely to be replaced by someone who campaigned to leave the EU.
Still can't help but view it as a powerful UK bargaining tool in negotiating with the EU. If that's all it is, then it's very smart. It was even smart to lie to the public in order to get a majority public poll. Governments don't stir up and scare the public like this for nothing, and am personally guessing there's probably some much bigger agenda at stake than what's on the surface and the general public doesn't even realize it.
Again, I'd truly love for this to be the case, but I'm certain you're very wrong. It's just about possible Europe could come back to Britain with a new offer, but I don't think it would be down to any planning by the government.
I need to explain the history of this to you. I'll try and keep it short.
The ruling Tory party has always had a deeply Eurosceptic side to it.
The Tory leader, concerned that his party was going to lose the election to the Labour party, and was going to lose seats to the single-issue anti-Europe party UKIP, devised a cunning plan.
He promised that if he won the election, he would hold a referendum on membership of the EU. This was cunning for 2 reasons. 1, He was offering what UKIP could never offer, an actual EU referendum, meaning that anyone who wanted out of the EU would have to vote Tory rather than UKIP. 2, It looked like he wasn't going to win the election, but if he did, it would be with a minority. That meant that the Tories would have needed to form a coalition government with the pro-Europe Liberal Democrats. The Liberals would never have allowed an EU referendum. Obviously Cameron would then have been able to blame the Liberals for his failure to hold a referendum, and everybody would have been fairly happy.
Unfortunately for everyone, the Tories won a surprise majority, and Cameron had no choice but to hold the referendum.
He didn't want this referendum, but his Eurosceptic party gave him no choice.
So no. This was not some well planned bargaining tool. This was a dirty trick to win the election gone hopelessly wrong, hence his resignation the day after the poll.