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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2016, 04:13:04 PM »
Actually ashamed and embarrassed of my country today

Accept democracy you fucking traitor.  You are part of the problem you imbecile.  You're part of the Labour party but despise the working class even though your party is meant to represent them.  You shouldn't be anywhere near politics.  Jeremy Corbyn is the last hope for the Labour party. 
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2016, 04:15:25 PM »
This is going to be a fucking disaster

For who?  For what?  This isn't about money.  We are £1.6 trillion in debt.  You're wimpering that the Labour core have decided that they don't want to be ruled by corrupt and unelected pigs in Brussels.  Live with it.
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2016, 04:16:57 PM »

Fucking awful :thumbdn:

Genuinely feel devastated :'(

Stayed up all night watching the results come through with a growing sense of horror.

Got about an hours sleep, and now I just want to cry >:(

You need to get a serious grip though and accept the democratic result.  You don't even live here?  :P

Democracy is not about getting the result you want, it's about accepting the result of the majority.  The working class has spoken, they no longer want to be flooded so their wages can be kept down and have their communities dismantled.  This is a victory for Tony Benn, Enoch Powell and Michael Foot.  Justice has been done!

You know I'm fond of you.

But, I have utter contempt for the Brexiteers view.
I think they were totally mislead. Brexit won't make things better for anyone, least of all the majority of people who voted Brexit. Boris and Gove have already admitted immigration won't fall.
They've exercised their democratic right to fuck over the UK, and possibly the EU.

I really hope I'm proved wrong, and if I am, I promise to come back here and own up to my stupidity and thank you Brexiteers for your wisdom.

Sadly, I don't think I will be wrong.


You are right about one thing though. It is a victory for Enoch Powell :thumbdn:

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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2016, 04:17:36 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48


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The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher.
Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.


What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become :soapbox:

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile :thumbdn: Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left :P I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish :green: I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   :facepalm2:
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2016, 04:23:15 PM »
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2016, 04:26:25 PM »

Fucking awful :thumbdn:

Genuinely feel devastated :'(

Stayed up all night watching the results come through with a growing sense of horror.

Got about an hours sleep, and now I just want to cry >:(

You need to get a serious grip though and accept the democratic result.  You don't even live here?  :P

Democracy is not about getting the result you want, it's about accepting the result of the majority.  The working class has spoken, they no longer want to be flooded so their wages can be kept down and have their communities dismantled.  This is a victory for Tony Benn, Enoch Powell and Michael Foot.  Justice has been done!

You know I'm fond of you.

But, I have utter contempt for the Brexiteers view.
I think they were totally mislead. Brexit won't make things better for anyone, least of all the majority of people who voted Brexit. Boris and Gove have already admitted immigration won't fall.
They've exercised their democratic right to fuck over the UK, and possibly the EU.

I really hope I'm proved wrong, and if I am, I promise to come back here and own up to my stupidity and thank you Brexiteers for your wisdom.

Sadly, I don't think I will be wrong.


You are right about one thing though. It is a victory for Enoch Powell :thumbdn:

Which is why I am annoyed with the way you're acting, as in I see you as a friend but am gutted by the way you are acting.  I have complete contempt for your views on this issue but would have accepted and tolerated the result if it had been in your favor.  Do you think I wanted that fraud Cameron to win the General Election?  I dealt with it and didn't start crying and saying I wanted to leave the country.

Gove and Boris can say what the fuck they want, it is the British people who are in charge and they are sick of seeing their country turn into some corporate wank sock, even if they don't understand the full details.  If the full facts were shown to the public, regarding the Lisbon Treaty and how the Irish were ignored with that, then the percentage would have been closer to 90% to leave.  It was a British Exit from a hideous corporate machine, hence why the corporate machine and their puppets are crying.  Already we are seeing that their could be some kind of deal to mean we are basically in the EU but not in the name.  How stupid are people like you and 'Adam' being?
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2016, 04:28:58 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48


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The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher.
Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.


What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become :soapbox:

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile :thumbdn: Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left :P I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish :green: I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   :facepalm2:

What can I say. I've always hated the attitude, "If you don't like the direction of the country, you"re free to leave." Especially coming from somebody who appears to have just voted to make it significantly harder to leave the country :-\

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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2016, 04:40:14 PM »
Oh, I understand. The UK is a sovereign state with its own government; it's a nation with a high ranking seat in the United Nations, and will stand by the statement it's not in anyone's interest to wish failure on the UK as a nation.

 :dunno:

I don't think anyone wishes "failure on the UK as a nation," as such.

Northern Ireland belonging to UK is a historical travesty. Ireland should be united, but obviously political problems have put paid to that in the past. If the opportunity comes along to undo that mistake peacefully, then it has to be seriously explored. Any reasonable person has to agree :dunno:

A large proportion of Scots, myself included, feel more European than British. After the outrageous decision by the English and Welsh to drag us out of the EU against our will, a lot of us think we would be better being independent and a member of the EU.

Now, it's fair enough that you oppose Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's yours.
I can't understand why seem to think that to want Scottish independence, or Irish reunification, is in some way unreasonable.

Why does Scotland, a country in it's own right, not deserve the right to right to self-determination?
Why is it better for Ireland to remain an island divided, if by some chance the people of N.Ireland actually want reunification?
Your questions are loaded with things I didn't say. Don't tell me what my opinions are. Personally not apposed to or in favor of any of it, and it would be silly for me to be either, but do believe it's not economically or politically wise. You said you hope the UK doesn't survive. Now you're being more clear about what that means. The UK was the UK long before it was part of the EU, would probably be fine without the EU, and these individual state issues of sovereignty already existed and have been brought up before They're nothing new, Scotland held a referendum to leave the UK only two years ago and caused North Ireland to get all flappy right along with them. With the understanding this vote doesn't actually mean anything, will have to agree with FourAceDeal, in that it's a lot of political muscle flexing. No one has made any decision to do or drag or force anything. Still can't help but view it as a powerful UK bargaining tool in negotiating with the EU. If that's all it is, then it's very smart. It was even smart to lie to the public in order to get a majority public poll. Governments don't stir up and scare the public like this for nothing, and am personally guessing there's probably some much bigger agenda at stake than what's on the surface and the general public doesn't even realize it. Sometimes see it when the government stirs things here, sometime not until later, and probably sometimes miss it completely; it's like slight of hand. Maybe will realize something in hindsight about the UK and add it to my personal global conspiracy theory. :laugh:

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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2016, 04:52:08 PM »
Justice has been done!
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2016, 04:53:49 PM »
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Which is why I am annoyed with the way you're acting, as in I see you as a friend but am gutted by the way you are acting.  I have complete contempt for your views on this issue but would have accepted and tolerated the result if it had been in your favor.  Do you think I wanted that fraud Cameron to win the General Election?  I dealt with it and didn't start crying and saying I wanted to leave the country.

I hate Cameron too, but he only won a couple of elections. He was never going to destroy the country. Lot's of people hate Cameron, but accepted the fact he won the election. Does that not give you some kind of hint at the depth of feeling against Brexit?

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Gove and Boris can say what the fuck they want, it is the British people who are in charge and they are sick of seeing their country turn into some corporate wank sock, even if they don't understand the full details.  If the full facts were shown to the public, regarding the Lisbon Treaty and how the Irish were ignored with that, then the percentage would have been closer to 90% to leave.  It was a British Exit from a hideous corporate machine, hence why the corporate machine and their puppets are crying.

OK, that's maybe what you think you were voting for, but it's not really what you're going to get.
Do you really think you've ushered in some kind of new golden dawn in British politics where the people are in control? In terms of domestic politics, it's just going to be business as usual. A shit Labour party versus an absolutely vile Tory party, just in a poorer country, with probably a LOT more racism and unpleasantness.


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Already we are seeing that their could be some kind of deal to mean we are basically in the EU but not in the name.

You mean a deal where we stay in the single market, and accept freedom of movement?

If we can achieve this, then great. It's probably the best case scenario from here.
It would really beg the question though. What the fuck has Brexit achieved? You've dragged the country to the brink of destruction. Made it poorer. Caused untold misery for a sustained period in the country. Ensured that the Tories are even further right wing. And all for nothing. You won't even get rid of the foreigners :laugh:

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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2016, 05:00:57 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48


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The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher.
Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.


What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become :soapbox:

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile :thumbdn: Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left :P I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish :green: I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   :facepalm2:

What can I say. I've always hated the attitude, "If you don't like the direction of the country, you"re free to leave." Especially coming from somebody who appears to have just voted to make it significantly harder to leave the country :-\

I never said that at all.  All I ask is that you accept the will of the people. 
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2016, 05:01:17 PM »
This is going to be a fucking disaster
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2016, 05:15:09 PM »
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Which is why I am annoyed with the way you're acting, as in I see you as a friend but am gutted by the way you are acting.  I have complete contempt for your views on this issue but would have accepted and tolerated the result if it had been in your favor.  Do you think I wanted that fraud Cameron to win the General Election?  I dealt with it and didn't start crying and saying I wanted to leave the country.

I hate Cameron too, but he only won a couple of elections. He was never going to destroy the country. Lot's of people hate Cameron, but accepted the fact he won the election. Does that not give you some kind of hint at the depth of feeling against Brexit?

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Gove and Boris can say what the fuck they want, it is the British people who are in charge and they are sick of seeing their country turn into some corporate wank sock, even if they don't understand the full details.  If the full facts were shown to the public, regarding the Lisbon Treaty and how the Irish were ignored with that, then the percentage would have been closer to 90% to leave.  It was a British Exit from a hideous corporate machine, hence why the corporate machine and their puppets are crying.

OK, that's maybe what you think you were voting for, but it's not really what you're going to get.
Do you really think you've ushered in some kind of new golden dawn in British politics where the people are in control? In terms of domestic politics, it's just going to be business as usual. A shit Labour party versus an absolutely vile Tory party, just in a poorer country, with probably a LOT more racism and unpleasantness.


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Already we are seeing that their could be some kind of deal to mean we are basically in the EU but not in the name.

You mean a deal where we stay in the single market, and accept freedom of movement?

If we can achieve this, then great. It's probably the best case scenario from here.
It would really beg the question though. What the fuck has Brexit achieved? You've dragged the country to the brink of destruction. Made it poorer. Caused untold misery for a sustained period in the country. Ensured that the Tories are even further right wing. And all for nothing. You won't even get rid of the foreigners :laugh:

He didn't win the first one and he got elected the second time because he promised a referendum the second time.  That option was forced upon him by the BNP firstly and then by UKIP.  He and Osbourne have already destroyed the country.  We've destroyed a smoke screen, and now people will learn that the European Union wasn't the real problem.  What are you talking about?  The majority of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.  They accepted he won because they wanted to vote to leave and because the majority of us are tolerant. 

The working class want to stop being accused of racism for not wanting their wages lowered for the corporate machine and their communities destroyed in a flash.  Start listening to the working class and stop trying to force them to listen to you, which was my exact point on a radio station on Friday. 

The working class here do not want mass immigration, despite what Gove wants.  We need to basically shut the doors. 
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"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2016, 05:53:39 PM »
Oh, I understand. The UK is a sovereign state with its own government; it's a nation with a high ranking seat in the United Nations, and will stand by the statement it's not in anyone's interest to wish failure on the UK as a nation.

 :dunno:

I don't think anyone wishes "failure on the UK as a nation," as such.

Northern Ireland belonging to UK is a historical travesty. Ireland should be united, but obviously political problems have put paid to that in the past. If the opportunity comes along to undo that mistake peacefully, then it has to be seriously explored. Any reasonable person has to agree :dunno:

A large proportion of Scots, myself included, feel more European than British. After the outrageous decision by the English and Welsh to drag us out of the EU against our will, a lot of us think we would be better being independent and a member of the EU.

Now, it's fair enough that you oppose Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's yours.
I can't understand why seem to think that to want Scottish independence, or Irish reunification, is in some way unreasonable.

Why does Scotland, a country in it's own right, not deserve the right to right to self-determination?
Why is it better for Ireland to remain an island divided, if by some chance the people of N.Ireland actually want reunification?
Your questions are loaded with things I didn't say. Don't tell me what my opinions are. Personally not apposed to or in favor of any of it, and it would be silly for me to be either, but do believe it's not economically or politically wise. You said you hope the UK doesn't survive. Now you're being more clear about what that means. The UK was the UK long before it was part of the EU, would probably be fine without the EU, and these individual state issues of sovereignty already existed and have been brought up before They're nothing new, Scotland held a referendum to leave the UK only two years ago and caused North Ireland to get all flappy right along with them. With the understanding this vote doesn't actually mean anything, will have to agree with FourAceDeal, in that it's a lot of political muscle flexing. No one has made any decision to do or drag or force anything. Still can't help but view it as a powerful UK bargaining tool in negotiating with the EU. If that's all it is, then it's very smart. It was even smart to lie to the public in order to get a majority public poll. Governments don't stir up and scare the public like this for nothing, and am personally guessing there's probably some much bigger agenda at stake than what's on the surface and the general public doesn't even realize it. Sometimes see it when the government stirs things here, sometime not until later, and probably sometimes miss it completely; it's like slight of hand. Maybe will realize something in hindsight about the UK and add it to my personal global conspiracy theory. :laugh:

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Your questions are loaded with things I didn't say. Don't tell me what my opinions are.

Ok. Looks like there was misunderstandings on both sides.

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Scotland held a referendum to leave the UK only two years ago and caused North Ireland to get all flappy right along with them.

I don't remember N.Ireland ever getting flappy before :-\


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With the understanding this vote doesn't actually mean anything, will have to agree with FourAceDeal, in that it's a lot of political muscle flexing. No one has made any decision to do or drag or force anything.

I would love to think that you're right, but I'm certain this is entirely wrong >:(

Legally, the result of this vote is non-binding, but there's no likelihood of the government failing to act upon the result. The supporters of the ruling government are mostly Eurosceptic, and to go back on their word would be electoral suicide. Also, the pro-Europe Prime Minister has resigned and is likely to be replaced by someone who campaigned to leave the EU.


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Still can't help but view it as a powerful UK bargaining tool in negotiating with the EU. If that's all it is, then it's very smart. It was even smart to lie to the public in order to get a majority public poll. Governments don't stir up and scare the public like this for nothing, and am personally guessing there's probably some much bigger agenda at stake than what's on the surface and the general public doesn't even realize it.

Again, I'd truly love for this to be the case, but I'm certain you're very wrong. It's just about possible Europe could come back to Britain with a new offer, but I don't think it would be down to any planning by the government.

I need to explain the history of this to you. I'll try and keep it short.

The ruling Tory party has always had a deeply Eurosceptic side to it.
The Tory leader, concerned that his party was going to lose the election to the Labour party, and was going to lose seats to the single-issue anti-Europe party UKIP, devised a cunning plan.
He promised that if he won the election, he would hold a referendum on membership of the EU. This was cunning for 2 reasons. 1, He was offering what UKIP could never offer, an actual EU referendum, meaning that anyone who wanted out of the EU would have to vote Tory rather than UKIP. 2, It looked like he wasn't going to win the election, but if he did, it would be with a minority. That meant that the Tories would have needed to form a coalition government with the pro-Europe Liberal Democrats. The Liberals would never have allowed an EU referendum. Obviously Cameron would then have been able to blame the Liberals for his failure to hold a referendum, and everybody would have been fairly happy.
Unfortunately for everyone, the Tories won a surprise majority, and Cameron had no choice but to hold the referendum.
He didn't want this referendum, but his Eurosceptic party gave him no choice.

So no. This was not some well planned bargaining tool. This was a dirty trick to win the election gone hopelessly wrong, hence his resignation the day after the poll.
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Re: Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2016, 05:54:54 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote?page=with:block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48#block-576e5920e4b0f43038109c48


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The Labour frontbencher, Seema Malhotra, is speaking just ahead of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in central London today.

The unshared prosperity, she adds, has been an important driver for how people felt about membership of the EU. But there are other concerns too around community cohesion.

She reads out a message from a teacher in her constituency who spoke of an incident that occurred after the referendum result. The teacher was escorting a group of young children when they were racially abused by members of the public.

They shouted: “Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why are you not educating the English?

Children aged six were crying and saying that they were going to have to leave the country, according to the teacher.
Malhotra says that people are in need of reassurance.


What a scummy, piece of shit, country we've become :soapbox:

Personally, I like my country and the people it contains.   You are free to leave at anytime.

I hear that attitude a lot from people like you. Personally, I find it a bit vile :thumbdn: Why should somebody be expected to leave their country, just because they don't like the direction it's going in? Surely it would be best if they stayed and tried to change things.

Anyway, I've already left :P I live in Budapest, and after the result of the referendum, I've never been more relieved.

I hold an Irish passport too, and from now on, I am referring to myself as Irish :green: I would be embarrassed to be associated with the Little Englanders who voted to leave.

You really should read what you write.   :facepalm2:

What can I say. I've always hated the attitude, "If you don't like the direction of the country, you"re free to leave." Especially coming from somebody who appears to have just voted to make it significantly harder to leave the country :-\

I never said that at all.  All I ask is that you accept the will of the people.

No. Fouracedeal did :-\