Brexit omelette with ham and cheese.

[FourAceDeal]

Brexit, in my mind, is mostly an emotional argument by people with misguided notions of "independence". I have yet to see a rational argument for Brexit but quite a few against it that highlight the risks involved.

The Remain campaign is painting the Brexit campaign as an emotional and racist thing, but there are logical arguements which are not being addressed.

Sovereignty.
Further integration.
The proposed EU Army which will undermine NATO.
The undemocratic nature of the EU lawmakers.
The culture of secret negotiations, particularly TTIP.
Immigration/population explosion which has seen rents for the bottom part of society double in real terms in the last decade.

None of the above are being addressed by the Remain campaign, who just point there finger at anyone who argues with them and call them idiots and racists.  Hence the middle ground is left to the right wing.

The reality is that plenty of politicians want this but are too afraid to back it in case the vote fails.  Again, leaving the middle ground to the right wing.

All in all, the new entries to the EU aren't exactly rich and aren't really raising the averages any, and Britain - as one of only two net contributors to the EU - is supposed to roll over and spunk up more cash to bail out people who are only in a mess because the EMF (read Germany and France) has fucked them over.

But make that an emotional arguement if you want.

I'm not making it into anything. I'm observing and the impression I get is one of an emotional argument, not a rational one. Me, I think Brexit is financial madness.

I know.  You can only work with what you're told and there's a lot of bullshit flying about.

[odeon]

Well, it is possible to actually find out stuff for yourself, without paying too much attention to the farce. Unfortunately, most people don't and so the emotional arguments are all they get.

['andersom']

That's about how I read it too.

But, it is a binding referendum. So, now I am wondering what will happen when the majority does go for the brexit option.

No.  It isn't.  It is merely a measure of public opinion and has nothing legally binding attached to it.

Should have looked better then. Was wondering whether it was binding or not. Did not find a thing, till I saw a Wikipedia article talking about it being a binding refererendum.

Not binding? That may lead to havock. People can vote, yet it will only have the status of an opinion poll.

A non binding referendum is pretty frustrating. Rather not have a referendum than a non binding one.

[Jack]

Well it's either that or cultural suicide.

The UK would have to exit the UN to avoid multiculturalism. Many developed countries are projected to become too old and thus economically unsustainable over the next couple of generations due to low birth rates and higher life expectancy. The UN has had long term replacement migration initiatives in place since at least 2000. The US is unaffected by this particular initiative because it already takes in more than enough immigrants to maintain a sufficient young working class.

While completely true this statement I fail to see why you had to say it.  Multiculturalism is not and never has been an issue in the UK.  While we have some idiots here, overall the UK is very well integrated in terms of multiculturalism.

It was written as a response to what Grey Area wrote. If the implications of cultural suicide by staying in the EU was misunderstood by me, then she will probably let me know. Most resent polling shows public views on multiculturalism to be fairly evenly divided. Maybe I read it correctly and Grey Area has more to say about it.

[odeon]

That's about how I read it too.

But, it is a binding referendum. So, now I am wondering what will happen when the majority does go for the brexit option.

No.  It isn't.  It is merely a measure of public opinion and has nothing legally binding attached to it.

Should have looked better then. Was wondering whether it was binding or not. Did not find a thing, till I saw a Wikipedia article talking about it being a binding refererendum.

Not binding? That may lead to havock. People can vote, yet it will only have the status of an opinion poll.

A non binding referendum is pretty frustrating. Rather not have a referendum than a non binding one.

Those are infuriating. We had a local one a year or two ago, about whether or not to get rid of the toll roads surrounding Gothenburg. A clear majority wanted them gone but the politicians chose to ignore the referendum.

['andersom']

That's about how I read it too.

But, it is a binding referendum. So, now I am wondering what will happen when the majority does go for the brexit option.

No.  It isn't.  It is merely a measure of public opinion and has nothing legally binding attached to it.

Should have looked better then. Was wondering whether it was binding or not. Did not find a thing, till I saw a Wikipedia article talking about it being a binding refererendum.

Not binding? That may lead to havock. People can vote, yet it will only have the status of an opinion poll.

A non binding referendum is pretty frustrating. Rather not have a referendum than a non binding one.

Those are infuriating. We had a local one a year or two ago, about whether or not to get rid of the toll roads surrounding Gothenburg. A clear majority wanted them gone but the politicians chose to ignore the referendum.

The two referendums we had, both times the outcome was diametrical against what the government wanted. So, it only helped to make some minor adjustments.

Think it is bloody stupid to try to motivate people to vote and then not listen to them. This will only make the distance between national politics and civilians bigger, and the reasons to vote smaller. The way to let democracy go bankrupt.

[FourAceDeal]

That's about how I read it too.

But, it is a binding referendum. So, now I am wondering what will happen when the majority does go for the brexit option.

No.  It isn't.  It is merely a measure of public opinion and has nothing legally binding attached to it.

Should have looked better then. Was wondering whether it was binding or not. Did not find a thing, till I saw a Wikipedia article talking about it being a binding refererendum.

Not binding? That may lead to havock. People can vote, yet it will only have the status of an opinion poll.

A non binding referendum is pretty frustrating. Rather not have a referendum than a non binding one.

While not a legally binding vote I can't see any government ignoring it.   But I suspect if the vote says leave then they'll be another vote - a "do you really mean it?" thing.  It's all posturing at the moment.

['andersom']

That's about how I read it too.

But, it is a binding referendum. So, now I am wondering what will happen when the majority does go for the brexit option.

No.  It isn't.  It is merely a measure of public opinion and has nothing legally binding attached to it.

Should have looked better then. Was wondering whether it was binding or not. Did not find a thing, till I saw a Wikipedia article talking about it being a binding refererendum.

Not binding? That may lead to havock. People can vote, yet it will only have the status of an opinion poll.

A non binding referendum is pretty frustrating. Rather not have a referendum than a non binding one.

While not a legally binding vote I can't see any government ignoring it.   But I suspect if the vote says leave then they'll be another vote - a "do you really mean it?" thing.  It's all posturing at the moment.

My experience with referendums that are not binding is that the government then tells they will do it the way they wanted it anyway, yet they will be prepared to do some extra tweaking. Very annoying. The way to alienate the public from the government.

[Jack]

with referendums that are not binding is that the government then tells they will do it the way they wanted it anyway, yet they will be prepared to do some extra tweaking. Very annoying. The way to alienate the public from the government.

What a bunch of crap.

['andersom']

with referendums that are not binding is that the government then tells they will do it the way they wanted it anyway, yet they will be prepared to do some extra tweaking. Very annoying. The way to alienate the public from the government.

What a bunch of crap.

The way referendums are treated by the leading politicians? Or how I think they are annoying and alienating the public even further from national politics?

[Jack]

Elections that don't count. It was a reflexive response. Though a primary vote on the Brexit topic makes more sense, even if the official decision may never be left to the public vote. It's a big issue so impressive to allow for a general public voting.

['Butterflies']

 


 

[Al Swearegen]

The remain vote was counting on a big turnout from Scotland and London. Without this, Brexit will win the vote....unless the rest of the country has a worse turnout. If I was a betting man, I'd back Brexit

[odeon]

Not good.

['Butterflies']

Fucking awful

Genuinely feel devastated

Stayed up all night watching the results come through with a growing sense of horror.

Got about an hours sleep, and now I just want to cry