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ISIS realities
« on: March 26, 2016, 10:40:57 AM »
I watched a documentary on the BBC the other day about ISIS.  Something does not add up.  These are meant to be the most dangerous people on the planet and are supposedly "Islamic extremists".  Somehow, even though the main men were being tracked by the CIA, the Mossad, MI5 and numerous intelligence groups from multiple countries, some managed to get from France to Syria to be trained and "radicalised" and then back to the UK and then back to France, undetected and then stand in Paris city center directing their mercenaries to shoot people or blow themselves up.  One Muslim man got in touch with an ISIS leader via Twitter and was given orders.  I mean what the fuck?  Why did Obama support these people to fight against Assad when he knew they were ISIS?  The BBC was careful not to get to close to the American trucks being used by ISIS militants, Or ISIL, IS, Daesh etc, whatever they're called this week.  In 2013/2014, they were travelling from Europe to Syria to fight against Assad, our alleged enemy.  Why do people buy this shit?

Just look at this article, some of the alleged Islamic extremists owned nightclubs and were big drinkers.  A couple of them bought "Islam For Dummies" and "The Koran For Dummies" after travelling to fight in Syria  :dunno:

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/03/mehdi-hasan-how-islamic-islamic-state
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 01:18:34 PM »
Isis is constructed to maintain conflict.

Can I prove it? No. Conspiracy websites around the world fail at proving it, so I can only dream about that, but...
as a reality, it is obvious - they are constructed to maintain conflict.

Other similar situations are eastern Ukraine, where the conflict is constructed and maintained in order to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO (which in turn would allow Ukraine to use military threats to claim Crimea back again)
as well as various "mineral conflicts" in Africa, mainly eastern Congo (Kivu primarily)

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 03:25:42 PM »
Isis is constructed to maintain conflict.

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 04:23:26 AM »
Isis is constructed to maintain conflict.

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Re: ISIS realities
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 10:11:06 AM »

Isn't that basically how suicide bombings work?
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 11:22:46 AM »
Isis is constructed to maintain conflict.

"Never attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by human stupidity"

If only it was that simple, then you would understand.  To think it's all one big stupid accident is beyond stupidity anyway.  All these intelligence agencies, the MI5, Mossad and the CIA are utterly clueless about these attacks and then within minutes after the attack they know everything about the attackers and it's all over the news.  Wake up. 
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 11:24:15 AM »

Isn't that basically how suicide bombings work?

 :rofl:

If Bloke read the article, then he would understand there's nothing Islamic about these killers.  They are just down and out druggie losers. 
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 11:26:14 AM »
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 11:30:19 AM »
I'm not going to play your games.  Either accept the truth or just forget about politics. 

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 11:34:15 AM »
Former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency talks in the video about how Obama was informed that he would be backing ISIS in Syria, and he did so knowingly.  You can stay in denial all you like.  It's more comforting in your fantasy world. 
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 11:41:58 AM »
I'm not going to play your games.  Either accept the truth or just forget about politics. 

I love it how you equate your conspiracy theories with "the truth" and "politics". You're a lot like that ancient aliens guy. You won't let anything trivial like facts get in your way.
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 12:01:38 PM »
It's about moderation and presentation. Benji, you can't react this way every time someone does not "buy" your presentation.

I'm fine w odeon not agreeing because of a very important reason: Him agreeing changes nothing. He is only 1 person.
In reality, 1 person does not matter. One vote does not matter. One person alone can change nothing, and so on. This is reality, away from the whole "But look at Gandhi!"-bullshit

It's not important to convince as many people as possible of the unfairness that goes on in the world. It is interesting, though. If someone wants to listen, it is fun to tell them interesting things.

But with your attitude, you seem as if you're trying to tell people something very important, to save their lives, and they refuse to listen, so you get furious at their ignorance. You have to calm down, cus it's not that important. Yes, several of the on-going wars are constructed and there is nnnothing you can do about it.
You can "raise awareness", but even that won't even ammount to anything.

To the doubters, my 5 additional cents:
What do you think is most likely?
That electronics manufacturers sit and twiddle their fingers, waiting desperately for a good conflict? That they thank Jesus every morning for Congo, praying to Jesus every evening that the Kivu conflict - that practically builds half their fortune - will not end any time soon?
Read up on the Kivu conflict, it is the 6th "sub-conflict" or so, to have continued from the 1993(?) Congo war, which is a further continuation of a 1960s conflict, which is pretty much the entire existence of that country. The entire existence.

And yes, there is such a thing as bad luck. Congo could just be having bad luck.
There is such a thing as good luck too. Finland has exceptionally good luck with Congo's bad luck.
And that's where I get suspicious, that these things work out so well.

As always, I can prove nothing, but this isn't some "deep dark secret". I'm talking about conflict minerals here. It's well known.

Much more obscure is the "real truth" of ISIS, for example. Here I am more unwilling to explore details, because there's less to explore. I just find it too convenient. At the beginning of the Iraq invasion I saw high tier statements claiming the US were "meant" to stay physically in Iraq indefinitely. "At least 50 years"
Ever since, it has been presented as a short lasting invasion, one that will end as soon as possible. Now it seems like the barely mentioned "50-year-plan" is actually in effect, but... "hidden", "secret"

Seems, mentioned, claimed, convenient, that's all I got really. But it's naive to think that people would "surely not" exploit a horrible situation such as war. Weapons manufacturers are #1 profiteers. "Surely they feel terrible about earning money from conflict! I mean, weapons manufacturers are hardly cynical people >:I"

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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2016, 01:06:37 PM »
I'm not going to play your games.  Either accept the truth or just forget about politics. 

I love it how you equate your conspiracy theories with "the truth" and "politics". You're a lot like that ancient aliens guy. You won't let anything trivial like facts get in your way.

It isn't a "conspiracy theory", it's right there on tape, it's a fact, yet you still deny it.  It's a fact you didn't know about, so instead of accepting that, and that you're wrong you resort to your usual crap.  You prove again you aren't capable of a serious discussion. 
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Re: ISIS realities
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2016, 01:12:58 PM »
It's about moderation and presentation. Benji, you can't react this way every time someone does not "buy" your presentation.

I'm fine w odeon not agreeing because of a very important reason: Him agreeing changes nothing. He is only 1 person.
In reality, 1 person does not matter. One vote does not matter. One person alone can change nothing, and so on. This is reality, away from the whole "But look at Gandhi!"-bullshit

It's not important to convince as many people as possible of the unfairness that goes on in the world. It is interesting, though. If someone wants to listen, it is fun to tell them interesting things.

But with your attitude, you seem as if you're trying to tell people something very important, to save their lives, and they refuse to listen, so you get furious at their ignorance. You have to calm down, cus it's not that important. Yes, several of the on-going wars are constructed and there is nnnothing you can do about it.
You can "raise awareness", but even that won't even ammount to anything.

To the doubters, my 5 additional cents:
What do you think is most likely?
That electronics manufacturers sit and twiddle their fingers, waiting desperately for a good conflict? That they thank Jesus every morning for Congo, praying to Jesus every evening that the Kivu conflict - that practically builds half their fortune - will not end any time soon?
Read up on the Kivu conflict, it is the 6th "sub-conflict" or so, to have continued from the 1993(?) Congo war, which is a further continuation of a 1960s conflict, which is pretty much the entire existence of that country. The entire existence.

And yes, there is such a thing as bad luck. Congo could just be having bad luck.
There is such a thing as good luck too. Finland has exceptionally good luck with Congo's bad luck.
And that's where I get suspicious, that these things work out so well.

As always, I can prove nothing, but this isn't some "deep dark secret". I'm talking about conflict minerals here. It's well known.

Much more obscure is the "real truth" of ISIS, for example. Here I am more unwilling to explore details, because there's less to explore. I just find it too convenient. At the beginning of the Iraq invasion I saw high tier statements claiming the US were "meant" to stay physically in Iraq indefinitely. "At least 50 years"
Ever since, it has been presented as a short lasting invasion, one that will end as soon as possible. Now it seems like the barely mentioned "50-year-plan" is actually in effect, but... "hidden", "secret"

Seems, mentioned, claimed, convenient, that's all I got really. But it's naive to think that people would "surely not" exploit a horrible situation such as war. Weapons manufacturers are #1 profiteers. "Surely they feel terrible about earning money from conflict! I mean, weapons manufacturers are hardly cynical people >:I"

I don't get furious when people disagree with me, I welcome it.  But when some complete imbecile is acting arrogant, and refusing to accept something when it's right there in front of them, sure it does irritate me.  Simpletons like Odeon are just too old to be this naive, he's in sheer denial and cannot stick to the subject as he isn't capable of doing so.  I don't care if he's an ignorant cunt, we all have more to learn, but to just deny facts because it doesn't suit his views is painfully stupid of him. 
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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