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Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« on: November 02, 2015, 12:46:55 PM »
https://www.academia.edu/17335940/A_new_Cambrian_black_pigment_used_during_the_late_Middle_Palaeolithic_discovered_at_Scladina_Cave_Andenne_Belgium_

Red and ochre pigment have been recovered, although black is the most common by far.

Neanderthals tanned leather, and likely made clothes for themselves. Pigment might have been used to color their clothes, to decorate tools, and also to color themselves. Face-paint has always been common with humans, and even more so the further back in history we go (or if we look at tribal communities, which often have quite elaborate face-paints, often associated with religious rituals or warfare)

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2015, 01:48:44 PM »
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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2015, 02:32:37 PM »
https://www.academia.edu/17335940/A_new_Cambrian_black_pigment_used_during_the_late_Middle_Palaeolithic_discovered_at_Scladina_Cave_Andenne_Belgium_

Red and ochre pigment have been recovered, although black is the most common by far.

Neanderthals tanned leather, and likely made clothes for themselves. Pigment might have been used to color their clothes, to decorate tools, and also to color themselves. Face-paint has always been common with humans, and even more so the further back in history we go (or if we look at tribal communities, which often have quite elaborate face-paints, often associated with religious rituals or warfare)

What does this do with the Neanderthal/autism theory?
Spazzes overall seem to be less keen on wearing paint on their faces.
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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2015, 02:54:40 PM »

What does this do with the Neanderthal/autism theory?

I have NO idea :I
Someone tries to associate Neanderthals with autism? Sounds like pseudo-science to me, and I get regular updates about paleontology and archaeology, and never even heard about it.

And - for future reference, use the word "hypothesis" in these cases, because theories are practically proven :D
I know it's a bit of a nit-pick, but litterally speaking, the existence of the sun is a theory.
Misunderstanding the weight of "a theory" is what causes so many to view many theories as "open ended", like evolution "it's just a theory!"
There's nothing "just" about it - in order to make a hypothesis into a theory you need to prove it adequately!
In science, there is no "higher level" than theory - it is as good as "truth".

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 03:28:24 PM »

What does this do with the Neanderthal/autism theory?

I have NO idea :I
Someone tries to associate Neanderthals with autism? Sounds like pseudo-science to me, and I get regular updates about paleontology and archaeology, and never even heard about it.



Was a fashionable theory for a while.
You missed the trend.  :M

And I should use smilies more often. I was making a joke about the Neanderthal spazzes wearing facial paint.
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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 04:53:54 PM »

What does this do with the Neanderthal/autism theory?

I have NO idea :I
Someone tries to associate Neanderthals with autism? Sounds like pseudo-science to me, and I get regular updates about paleontology and archaeology, and never even heard about it.



Was a fashionable theory for a while.
You missed the trend.  :M

And I should use smilies more often. I was making a joke about the Neanderthal spazzes wearing facial paint.

That is *not* a theory! :D
Not your fault tho, the website you link to is making the same mistake, because - it is a far too common mistake, but in the end it is destructive to the understanding of science, precisely because it de-legitimizes actual theories as "just an idea", and at the same time legitimizes "ideas" by presenting them as proper theories :D

It also falls squarely into the realm of pure speculation, since it makes assumptions about Neanderthals that we have no way of really making... I checked the original publication - which is something people really should do more often, if only to discover how amateurish it really is...
Instead, website summarizes are perpetuated, and people simply go "A science website said autists are neanderthals :o"
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Some Swede said it!
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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 04:57:52 PM »
It also falls squarely into the realm of pure speculation, since it makes assumptions about Neanderthals that we have no way of really making...
Like they painted their faces?

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 05:32:36 PM »
It also falls squarely into the realm of pure speculation, since it makes assumptions about Neanderthals that we have no way of really making...
Like they painted their faces?

Yes. Your point beeeing?

Where did I say that Neanderthals painting their faces was an actual theory?
Show me where.

And this is how easy it is to really irk me.

Show me where!
Was it the title, where I say MIGHT HAVE?

Also, what's your point?

I posted a link to a PEER REVIEWED ARTICLE about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of ACTUAL PIGMENT and stated the POSSIBLE USES FOR IT
so again
Show me where?
What's your point?

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM »
And this is how easy it is to really irk me.
Which is why it was so irresistible. :laugh:

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2015, 06:10:51 PM »
I don't like having my credibility put into question, especially not out of the blue

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2015, 06:28:46 PM »
Could have just as easily came back shouting, where did I say you said it's an actual theory, show me where.  *shrug*

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2015, 06:39:15 PM »
Leave the harmless ribbing to me, Jack. You don't know how to do it right.  :hahaha:
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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2015, 06:21:04 PM »
Neanderthals aren't even autistic!

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2015, 06:30:14 PM »
This is about facial decoration damnit!

And the amazingness of the others, as well, orcs, hobbits, elves, trolls - those other humans.

It's too common a misconception that "we come from" many of these past human species, and we do - but many of them are "sister species" to us, and Neanderthals are that as well. Now, nature isn't black and white like that, so, we DO have neanderthal genes from inter-breeding, but that's just cus humans are pervy and lonely. That combination is very powerful.

I can hardly get over how weird it is, how weird it would be, to meet another type of human.
Our "collective memory" is full of other humans, elves, hobbits, trolls, there memories are very possibly remnants of our dealings with, for example, Neanderthals.

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Re: Neanderthals might have painted their faces
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2015, 01:51:52 AM »
It also falls squarely into the realm of pure speculation, since it makes assumptions about Neanderthals that we have no way of really making...
Like they painted their faces?

Yes. Your point beeeing?

Where did I say that Neanderthals painting their faces was an actual theory?
Show me where.

And this is how easy it is to really irk me.

Show me where!
Was it the title, where I say MIGHT HAVE?

Also, what's your point?

I posted a link to a PEER REVIEWED ARTICLE about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of ACTUAL PIGMENT and stated the POSSIBLE USES FOR IT
so again
Show me where?
What's your point?

First you tell us they painted their faced then they dyed their clothes.  What about tattooing each other? Dying their hair perhaps.
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