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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2015, 09:20:12 AM »
if everything is connected and the dead aren't really dead, and matter is infinite, isn't it going to get rather crowded around here shortly?
Not if it has been from the beginning of time. But then one can wonder whether there is such a thing as the beginning of time in this concept.
Probably there is, because there is a happy ending. And no end without a beginning.
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2015, 10:15:43 AM »
Eliminating the downer of death seems to be the first responsability of any kind of spiritualism.

I have yet to encounter a spiritual world view where death truly sucks, or contains nothing special.

As a kid, I always thought heaven was a very complicated issue, for example, does heaven exclude all non H. sapiens, or does heaven allow ALL living things that have ever lived? Since non-humans are unlikely to be capable of deliberate sin, one would assume that every single individual of everything non-human that ever existed would be allowed in. Since heaven does revolve around sin/no-sin, it seems unlikely fish or insects or lichen or trees will have anything to do with heaven, but it seems unfair to send all dead trees to hell.

in short, it never made sense to me.

I guess if heaven was real, we could check with heaven for The Exact definition of Homo sapiens, since it is the only organism (to ever have existed) that is allowed entry.

A similar problem exists with the whole 4000-year-old-earth idea, where all carboniferous creatures, all devonian creatures, ALL mesozoic creatures, every species of creature that ever existed, lived together.
For example, the North American continent would be absolutely swamped even if we ONLY counted ONE family of organism - the Sauropod dinosaurs, even if we only counted jurassic ones - for example Oxfordian (a time period section of the latest Jurassic) Sauropod genera allready evolved into separate species by the Kimmeridgian (still in the latest Jurassic, but about 10 million years later)

So, a time-period as cramped as 10 million years allready sees a division of a genus into several consecutive species. Add 200 million years to that, and then 3-4 billion...
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2015, 01:18:51 PM »
I think you are wrong. As Al says, when we die, we rot.
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2015, 01:28:56 PM »
@ Zegh, there is a spiritual view possible where death is part of life. No big deal, will happen, inevitably. Part if the circle of life, where flies will lay their eggs in dead flesh. What you make of your life the moment you live it is what it is about.

A few protestant streams also may have some thoughts about death and beyond, but in practice they focus on life here only, because the rest can't be influenced in any way. In Christian religion there is a split between streams where people are capable of working for their fate after death, and streams where nothing what you do here will make a difference for when you are dead. Both types come with their own ways of comfort and anxiety.
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2015, 08:56:31 PM »
I think you are wrong. As Al says, when we die, we rot.

What Jack kind of said.

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another"
~Einstein~

That's probably the only thing that makes me doubt that a little.
I take a lot more stock in what Einstein had to say than what they put in the bible.

With my luck I'll be re-incarnated and I'll come back as a fruit fly or something. :zoinks:

...anything hopefully but a damn spider.  :zombiefuck:

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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2015, 09:25:26 PM »
Eliminating the downer of death seems to be the first responsability of any kind of spiritualism.

I have yet to encounter a spiritual world view where death truly sucks, or contains nothing special.

Isn't that how jewish people see it?

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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2015, 09:36:55 PM »
That's probably the only thing that makes me doubt that a little.
Doubt what?

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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2015, 10:01:49 PM »
Some of this stuff doesn't mesh with each other, like everything has always been alive but happy to be dead. Everything is caught in some infinite perpetual loop of never ending life but somehow there's an end, an end that lasts forever.  :GA:
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2015, 02:26:09 AM »
Some of this stuff doesn't mesh with each other, like everything has always been alive but happy to be dead. Everything is caught in some infinite perpetual loop of never ending life but somehow there's an end, an end that lasts forever.  :GA:

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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2015, 08:43:35 AM »
God is dead.  And gay.

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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2015, 08:50:08 AM »
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2015, 05:36:16 PM »
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Re: What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2015, 03:59:44 AM »
Where did she go?
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