What do you think about these positive spiritual thoughts?

[Shareese/Ana54]

I consider myself a Unitarian Universalist for the most part (I say for the most part because I'm against late-term abortion and most euthanasia); do you think that's about right?

1. All is saved forever in every way.
2. Everything that happens is good for you.
3. All the dead are happy.
4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.
5. We forget our pre-birth memories because we are concentrating on our mission.
6. God knows everything. If you are the only one that knows something, God knows it, because you are part of God. God is everything. Everything is connected.
7. Everything is happy in the end forever.
8. Everything has always been alive.
9. Nothing comes from or goes to nothing.
10. Everything is always conscious somewhere.
This planet will not be destroyed. It is needed to teach us about evil, and the situation on it is as evil as things can get.
There is infinite matter.
Everything has already met everything else before, infinite times, forever. Including memories. And it will continue that way forever.
We can choose to believe that all the bad that had to happen to us already happened.
We will all be together forever in the end.

[ZEGH8578]

Most of that made absolutely no sense to me, but that's me, and you're you, and that's my reply!

[Al Swearegen]

I am not religious. I don't believe in God. I do not believe in soul. I do not believe in spirits or ghosts or afterlife. So consider this against that list and you may get an appreciation of what I may feel about what you wrote. I am not put off by it or upset or anything of the sort.

If you posted about your belief in pixies and elves and what you think they think of us and whether we become elven woodland sprites at death, I would not believe that either but would not be offended or upset with that either.

I think we are here alone. When I die it ends for me and I rot. The end.

['andersom']

The mind boggles, but this one makes my mind boggle the most.

4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.

Can you explain?

['andersom']

Your whole list, looks like you are hoping to find some logic in the events of life. Like if you suffer A, while thinking B, C will happen.
Life does not work that way.

Your list is not comprehensible to me, when it comes to the facts in life. It fails to make any spiritual sense to me too. Maybe you could elaborate on every point in your list, by giving an example how that thought helps you in your life.

I am not kidding you here. I like to understand why thoughts and belief systems work as a comfort for people.

[Shareese/Ana54]

1. All is saved forever in every way.--I imagined this, and if I can literally picture what I imagine, that means it is possible, and if I can picture EVERYTHING being perfect in the end being possible, that means it's already possible... already happening.
2. Everything that happens is good for you. --Because we learn from everything, and it's all interesting, and we won't be in any pain at the very end in the afterlife so we might as well enjoy it. It also all leads up to the same thing, no matter what happens. It all leads up to perfection.
3. All the dead are happy.-- Because after we die, we know we're dead, and then we realize we're still alive, so we're happy about that, realizing that we have another chance. Not everyone is EQUALLY happy after we're dead, but we will all be in the future.
4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.--Because our problems follow us everywhere. Committing suicide and going to another place is no different.
5. We forget our pre-birth memories because we are concentrating on our mission.--Because our souls, aka we, have access to all memories but are in a certain place at a certain time so are concentrating on those memories.
6. God knows everything. If you are the only one that knows something, God knows it, because you are part of God. God is everything. Everything is connected.--That should be self-explanatory.
7. Everything is happy in the end forever.-- See #1.
8. Everything has always been alive.-- Nothing comes from or goes to nothing! THAT would be magical thinking. #8 and 9, therefore, are the law of the conservation of matter, since all matter is alive.
9. Nothing comes from or goes to nothing.--See #8.
10. Everything is always conscious somewhere.--Because existing is being alive and being alive is existing. "Dead stuff" is just empty space. Black nothingness. It's NOTHING, therefore EVERYTHING is alive.
11. This planet will not be destroyed. It is needed to teach us about evil, and the situation on it is as evil as things can get.--Because this is hell.
12. There is infinite matter.--Just imagine it. We know enough to use the term "infinite". Time is infinite. Numbers are infinite. So is the amount of matter.
13. Everything has already met everything else before, infinite times, forever. Including memories. And it will continue that way forever.--If we can understand enough to even use the word "everything", and we can, then we can imagine that we've been everywhere. And everywhere is an abstract term, not an earthly term, so we (our our souls) can actually have been everywhere due to us just imagining it. In the soul world, imagining is doing and doing is imagining.
14. We can choose to believe that all the bad that had to happen to us already happened.--Or rather, to our souls. We can still get shot, stabbed, etc. or have people die or fall off our balcony or get in a car crash, but we don't need to believe it's a big deal.
15. We will all be together forever in the end.--See #13, and #1.

[Queen Victoria]

Sounds like Dr. Who.

['andersom']

It looks like various proofs of the existence of god in history. All requiring a leap of faith to start with.
And all, in specific conditions, bringing some kind of comfort.

Looks like the comfort you seek/found is one in the future, when all will have balanced out. Where do you find comfort for today, Ana? In the perfection of the future only?

Spirituality is something I value. For me it is about living this very day during this very day. The thought of living through hell, to reach a better place/time/atmosphere of what you call it, gives me no comfort.

['andersom']

Welcome back btw.
I'm curious about what brought you back.

[Jack]

Welcome back.

Interesting comeback post. Only agree with 8 and 9, though that's due to holding to an unconventional definition of what is life. Energy is what defines and sustains life. If an atom can die, then it's alive. All matter is comprised of energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

[ZEGH8578]

Many of these are easily contradicted by science, but I'm going to guess that science is not very welcome here. Bad, cynical science.

But for example, this planet will end. The energy within it, the heat, will eventually dissipate, and simply radiate out into space, and this will terminate most of the geological activities, but even if it were to persist unchanged, our sun will grow large enough to physically engulf it in its red giant state. Our sun won't even grow all that big, comparatively, but still big enough to vaporize our planet long before the sun's surface even reaches our orbit

But let's say that both our earh and sun are ultra-unique anomalies of space time, two entities that are unlike all the other entities they should be similar with (sun=stars, earth=planets), the very nature of particles will slowly change over time, as this actual universe changes itself - as it ages. This will take a mind-boggling ammount of time ("billions and billions and billions and billions") but eventually atoms themselves will not be able to sustain their physique, and will "disasemble", or whatever one want to call it - our world wouldn't even vaporize at this point, it would quite simply cease to be

[Bastet]

The mind boggles, but this one makes my mind boggle the most.

4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.

Can you explain?

Good sig material

['andersom']

The mind boggles, but this one makes my mind boggle the most.

4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.

Can you explain?

Good sig material

 

Do it.

['andersom']

I'm going to give it another go, addressing one by one.

I consider myself a Unitarian Universalist for the most part (I say for the most part because I'm against late-term abortion and most euthanasia); do you think that's about right?

1. All is saved forever in every way.

Conservation of energy and such, OK, will go with that maybe. Though, what about soundwaves, they can completely extinct one another, in specific cases.

2. Everything that happens is good for you.

Bullshit. Told a lot by fundies, believing in a deity planning their lives, or fundies absolutely convinced they chose this specific life themselves to grow. It was used by people keeping their slaves or unpaid/barely paid workers. Not everything in life is good for you. But there are people able to find the good that happens with the bad, and enjoy that. That is something different. Cancer may bring a family closer together. Does not make the cancer a good thing. It shows that this particular family has the power to deal with the negative in a positive way.

3. All the dead are happy.

Why are they? Why is happy the ultimate goal? Why is it important to have thoughts on life after death?

4. Staying alive makes you happier faster after you’re dead.

After your explanation it still makes no sense to me. Probably because of the happy after death thing. That your problems will go with you, yes, in most cases they will, in some way. Suicide will not stop because of thinking there may be a new life. Could in that theory be a new start, clean slate.

5. We forget our pre-birth memories because we are concentrating on our mission.

What is the mission? For me the mission is living here and now. The past and the future are present in what I know to be my history, and on the actions I make today that could influence tomorrow. But there is no clear future, and the past is seen through my eyes, so very personalised.

6. God knows everything. If you are the only one that knows something, God knows it, because you are part of God. God is everything. Everything is connected.

This may be the first rule I recognise as something spiritual. The notion that all is connected. For some, this is God.

7. Everything is happy in the end forever.

Again, why the focus on the happy? And what do you mean by happy?

8. Everything has always been alive.

A matter of definition.

9. Nothing comes from or goes to nothing.

See at rule number 1.

10. Everything is always conscious somewhere.

Anthropomorphism.

This planet will not be destroyed. It is needed to teach us about evil, and the situation on it is as evil as things can get.

See Zegh.

There is infinite matter.

E=mc²

Everything has already met everything else before, infinite times, forever. Including memories. And it will continue that way forever.

This is a belief statement. Neither wrong or false, may give you comfort.

We can choose to believe that all the bad that had to happen to us already happened.

I don't get this one. Don't get it at all. Is it connected with rule @
2?

We will all be together forever in the end.

Giant black hole? If that sounds too cynical; What do you mean with being together? Why would it give me comfort now? And in what will it differ from everything already being connected as in rule 6? 


Ana, can you elaborate on one of the rules, and explain how it helps you get through your days in life? How does it comfort you?

[WolFish]

if everything is connected and the dead aren't really dead, and matter is infinite, isn't it going to get rather crowded around here shortly?