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Re: Iran
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2015, 02:03:35 PM »
I'm testing to see if others are consistent.

I think you were hoping someone would bash Iran, but they didn't.  :hahaha:
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Re: Iran
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2015, 02:12:46 PM »
I find it amusing that you are assuming that i'm being naive about this and don't understand how things work.  I'm testing to see if others are consistent.  Moronic odeon thinking it's stupid for me to demand that the world does adhere to a basic principle "practice what you preach".   

It is stupid and it is unrealistic, but if you are going to dream, why not dream big?
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Re: Iran
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2015, 02:52:58 PM »
Just the other day, July 16,  was the 70th anniversary of the Trinity test   :nerdy:
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Re: Iran
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2015, 04:25:58 PM »
Just the other day, July 16,  was the 70th anniversary of the Trinity test   :nerdy:

Since that day, thousands of nuclear test explosions have been conducted. The whole world should all be glowing right now.  :zoinks:
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Re: Iran
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2015, 08:11:36 PM »
When enough people get pissed off at what is going on then the shit hits the fan and things are forced to change back. You can't control reality. The universe resets itself and dickslaps the tyrants who try to exploit everyone.

Not always. This is the real world and in the real world sometimes the bad guys win.

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Re: Iran
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2015, 09:12:27 PM »
When enough people get pissed off at what is going on then the shit hits the fan and things are forced to change back. You can't control reality. The universe resets itself and dickslaps the tyrants who try to exploit everyone.

Not always. This is the real world and in the real world sometimes the bad guys win.

They never agree with each other always trying to control everyone and everything. Always stabbing each other in the backs and destroying everything around them in the process leaving rubble left behind. A lot will be destroyed before it is rebuilt. Unless we all die.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2015, 09:09:02 AM »
That's incorrect. A treaty isn't an international law

You forgot to capitalize it as though it were some proper noun ;)

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Re: Iran
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2015, 12:09:22 PM »
That's incorrect. A treaty isn't an international law; it's a treaty which Israel hasn't joined. Security council members are authorized nuclear states under the terms of the treaty and are in no way obligated to disarm at this point in time or at any previous point in time. The rest of the world would be going to great trouble to get any particular superpower to give up their nuclear weapons, because other countries without nuclear arms currently rely on their allies within the security council to defend them in the event they're faced with nuclear attack. One day it may be an actuality for world superpowers to be expected to disarm, and the last fifty years has shown enormous progress in that direction, maybe more progress than any other publicly known UN initiative. You're correct, in that ideally no one should have nuclear arms under the NPT, and haven't argued against that; it simply hasn't reached that level of it's potential. The question of why has been asked in the OP of this thread; and that why has been answered to my understanding. According to Iran, Iran has no intention of developing nuclear arms, so this discussion is moot anyway. If you already know why the point of asking why is also moot.

Yes they are obligated to disarm, that's the whole point of the treaty lol.  The rest of the world have no power.  Israel has nukes and it relies on the US with nukes to support it in whatever it does.  It lies about its nukes.  Why should the non nuclear states keep their end of the deal then if the nuclear ones don't?  Let's have some consistency here.  Because i'm taking the piss.  The manic Netanyahu has been going on about Iran's nukes as have American politicians for years now, while at the same time it's ok for those countries to have nukes, use them, and use chemical weapons on schools and hospitals.  It's a joke.  For one, Iran weren't developing nukes, but two, they should be able to have them, along with every other country, or none as I said.  All I want is consistency. 
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Re: Iran
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2015, 12:09:47 PM »
I'm testing to see if others are consistent.

I think you were hoping someone would bash Iran, but they didn't.  :hahaha:

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Re: Iran
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2015, 12:13:17 PM »
I find it amusing that you are assuming that i'm being naive about this and don't understand how things work.  I'm testing to see if others are consistent.  Moronic odeon thinking it's stupid for me to demand that the world does adhere to a basic principle "practice what you preach".   

It is stupid and it is unrealistic, but if you are going to dream, why not dream big?

It is stupid to expect people who preach to practice their preaching's?  I know it's unrealistic, because the masses are too thick and ignorant to do anything about it.  Only the people can stop these crooks, but there's more important things on TV like the X Factor etc, 
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


Leeeeeaaaave Benji alooooooone!  :bigcry:

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Re: Iran
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2015, 12:15:04 PM »
That's incorrect. A treaty isn't an international law

You forgot to capitalize it as though it were some proper noun ;)

I'm fully aware that International Law is a farce. 
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


Leeeeeaaaave Benji alooooooone!  :bigcry:

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Re: Iran
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2015, 01:40:18 PM »
Because i'm taking the piss. 
Pardon my misunderstanding. Nevermind, then.

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Re: Iran
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2015, 06:13:09 PM »
I want to know why Israel can have booze and Iran can't. That aint fair.  :zoinks:
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Re: Iran
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2015, 04:52:02 AM »
I find it amusing that you are assuming that i'm being naive about this and don't understand how things work.  I'm testing to see if others are consistent.  Moronic odeon thinking it's stupid for me to demand that the world does adhere to a basic principle "practice what you preach".   

It is stupid and it is unrealistic, but if you are going to dream, why not dream big?

It is stupid to expect people who preach to practice their preaching's?  I know it's unrealistic, because the masses are too thick and ignorant to do anything about it.  Only the people can stop these crooks, but there's more important things on TV like the X Factor etc,

Your naïvety is quite endearing.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2015, 10:21:12 AM »
I want to know why Israel can have booze and Iran can't. That aint fair.  :zoinks:

Tons of booze in Iran, mostly "under the counter", but also in many a house-hold.

I find it interesting, but it's easy to compare to many other "soft" bans around the world, like cannabis in Spain or Portugal, it is banned, it is illegal, but it has been so normalized (and decriminalized, to be fair) you see people rolling joints openly, in cafeterias

Home made alcohol here is illegal, and cops sometimes do raids for bigger batches - however, a single bottle of *pure* alcohol is often overlooked and ignored, some cops would even "feel bad" for making a big fuss about some grown, working man hiding away a bottle of alcohol, and would let him keep it.
Teens sometimes have their alcohol poured out, without any more fuss made about it.
The same cops, same country, will flip their lid if they find ANY hash on you. ANY. People I know have been dragged in because of residue on their shoe-laces :D

But yeah, it's easy to think of another culture as "devoid" of certain things - because we're told it's banned there.