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Offline sg1008

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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 02:40:04 PM »
Sorry, not meaning to represent the whole entire community. Just trying to qualify the perspective as one from within Islam, as opposed to an outsider critic. Maybe I didn't explain that well... I am trying to say...this is "insider information".
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Quote from: hykeaswell on December 08, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
Quote from: sg1008 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 03:56:06 PM »
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Just trying to qualify the perspective as one from within Islam, as opposed to an outsider critic.

Are you an Islamic insider?  :orly:
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 04:01:09 PM »
Quote from: Gopher Gary on July 02, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Just trying to qualify the perspective as one from within Islam, as opposed to an outsider critic.

Are you an Islamic insider?  :orly:

Not really. My teacher is though.
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Quote from: hykeaswell on December 08, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
Quote from: sg1008 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 04:02:16 PM »
Quote from: Hubert on July 01, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: Parts on July 01, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: odeon on June 30, 2015, 11:06:23 PM
There are too few of them to "ruin Islam".

In a way they already have in getting people to think of their nutty version of it when ever Islam is mentioned.

On a side note the very first friend I made when I went away to college was the son of one of the Saudi diplomats at the UN,  he was about as Muslim as I am Catholic and would have been very happy if he never had to set foot in Saudi Arabia ever again he hated the place and everything it represented,  it didn't stop him from cashing the check he got at the end of every month from them though

I don't know why anyone with a ton of money stays there. Except maybe they enjoy subjugating women and beheading apostates.   :dunno:

Actually, that does sound like a lot of fun. Especially the beheading bit :headbang2:
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 04:06:58 PM »
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: Gopher Gary on July 02, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Just trying to qualify the perspective as one from within Islam, as opposed to an outsider critic.

Are you an Islamic insider?  :orly:

Not really. My teacher is though.

Have you been insider?  :zoinks:
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2015, 01:27:39 AM »
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: Gopher Gary on July 02, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: sg1008 on July 02, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Just trying to qualify the perspective as one from within Islam, as opposed to an outsider critic.

Are you an Islamic insider?  :orly:

Not really. My teacher is though.

What does that even mean?
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2015, 05:30:12 AM »
Pressure cooker at the moment, looking at Islam.

Maybe that is what makes a woman like Ayaan Hirsi Ali mildly optimistic about an Islam reformation. She's hoping for growing heresy, and seeing it happen too. She calls for a backing up and supporting of Muslim reformers.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM »
I meant, using the term "insider" about a teacher. It's a bit like labeling my old religion teacher as a Christianity insider.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2015, 04:35:06 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
I meant, using the term "insider" about a teacher. It's a bit like labeling my old religion teacher as a Christianity insider.

I once was an insider too.
Now I am an interested and pretty well informed outsider, when it comes to some types of Christianity.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2015, 03:17:18 PM »
Quote from: hykeaswell on July 06, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
I meant, using the term "insider" about a teacher. It's a bit like labeling my old religion teacher as a Christianity insider.

I once was an insider too.
Now I am an interested and pretty well informed outsider, when it comes to some types of Christianity.

It's sort of pointless, though, isn't it? Even with Christianity, there are simply too many factions. There is no such thing.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2015, 03:52:15 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 07, 2015, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: hykeaswell on July 06, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
I meant, using the term "insider" about a teacher. It's a bit like labeling my old religion teacher as a Christianity insider.

I once was an insider too.
Now I am an interested and pretty well informed outsider, when it comes to some types of Christianity.

It's sort of pointless, though, isn't it? Even with Christianity, there are simply too many factions. There is no such thing.

That was my same point.  Saying one is an "insider" to Islam sounds crazed as Islam is made up of several factions who hate each other.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2015, 11:48:02 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 07, 2015, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: hykeaswell on July 06, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 06, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
I meant, using the term "insider" about a teacher. It's a bit like labeling my old religion teacher as a Christianity insider.

I once was an insider too.
Now I am an interested and pretty well informed outsider, when it comes to some types of Christianity.

It's sort of pointless, though, isn't it? Even with Christianity, there are simply too many factions. There is no such thing.

 :indeed:
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2015, 02:49:22 PM »
It would be cool if somebody actually had some inside information to contribute.
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2015, 04:53:46 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 08, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
It would be cool if somebody actually had some inside information to contribute.
Like from actual clerics and government leaders? Would you believe it?
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Re: Saudi clerics ruin Islam
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2015, 12:49:34 PM »
Quote from: Jack on July 08, 2015, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 08, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
It would be cool if somebody actually had some inside information to contribute.
Like from actual clerics and government leaders? Would you believe it?

No, from Jesus himself.  Or Mohammadamadingdong.
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