What living on $7 per hour really means.

[Jack]

We were talking about slightly different things. Look at the context.

Though the context might be different, the socio-economic idea of the financial impact of women working outside of the home really isn't. If anything has been taken out of context, it might be the representation of Molyneux, as his views don't promote women's suffrage, but he rather views women's liberation as impossible within a capitalistic society, with socialism being the better format where society as a whole is responsible for the care of children, and thus negating the idea of the usefulness of a family unit and its roles, making men and women equal truly equal both in the workforce as well as child rearing. His views on how such a social structure will also bring equality to homosexuals is also interesting, negating the nuclear family as also negating the threat society perceives homosexuality to be to the family unit. The ideal of a village raising a child with no emphasis on a primary caregiver is a debatable point of view though.

[Jack]

Anyway, didn't mean to spin off so acutely in that thought. Maybe we just interpreted the original quoted part differently; interpreted the words, ruining the country, as an economic point of view. Could have been mistaken about that.

[Hannah]

  for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT 

[Yuri Bezmenov]

We were talking about slightly different things. Look at the context.

Though the context might be different, the socio-economic idea of the financial impact of women working outside of the home really isn't.

The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.

If anything has been taken out of context, it might be the representation of Molyneux, as his views don't promote women's suffrage, but he rather views women's liberation as impossible within a capitalistic society, with socialism being the better format where society as a whole is responsible for the care of children, and thus negating the idea of the usefulness of a family unit and its roles, making men and women equal truly equal both in the workforce as well as child rearing. His views on how such a social structure will also bring equality to homosexuals is also interesting, negating the nuclear family as also negating the threat society perceives homosexuality to be to the family unit. The ideal of a village raising a child with no emphasis on a primary caregiver is a debatable point of view though.

The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.

I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.

[Jack]

The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.

Fair enough; that makes sense.

The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.

I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.

Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.

[odeon]

for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT 

Because of this thread? Because it makes you sleepy?

[RageBeoulve]

The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.

Fair enough; that makes sense.

The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.

I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.

Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.

He is a stay at home dad, you know.

[Hannah]

for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT 

Because of this thread? Because it makes you sleepy?

eh I'm always in a state of zzz from the freaking night medications 

I have reached a point where I've grown weary of contending and know what I want out of life and go out and just do it not argue one way or another if that makes sense, a combo of age and what I've gone through I suppose...

as a person I don't see people as male and female in the sense of 'suffrage' one way or another...I see all through the lens of 'hey they have things to offer and contribute' and if they don't eh that's on them as a person regardless of male or female...


As for myself IT is a field I have come to love, and it's lucrative so I don't have to be on assistance for longer then I need it, I'm tired of the hand out and want to give back if that makes sense...I want to help others with the gifts I have not stay in a constant stale mate...so the day by day studying and getting the extra time for my A plus tests through testing then faxing it to person vue (pain in the butt) but it'll be good for five years the no timed during tests...so it's worth it, the effort...

At the end of the day, I want to make something of myself and offer security IT services to others that need it for their businesses eventually freelancing is the goal, and going back to school to finish my bs would be nice as well  I'll be making enough at that point to pay off debt point blank, none of this robbing peter to pay paul nonsense...I tire of it...so finishing school, getting a good IT security job with good pay, helping others with my talents, and the sky being the limit are my goals...

By the end of this year 2015 having both A plus tests passed and searching for a job are the two goals for this year...

Hope this makes sense

[Jack]

The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.

Fair enough; that makes sense.

The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.

I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.

Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.

He is a stay at home dad, you know.

Good for him.

[Gopher Gary]

He is a stay at home dad, you know.

What a freaking hypocrite.