Nothing worth mentioning is happening in Ferguson Missouri.

[ZEGH8578]

Yes, whities were slaves, but it's a long time ago.

This actually makes me curious, say, in the 1100s, by then I reckon we would be done enslaving the Irish, while at the same time, pillaging, slavery, rape and destruction would be relatively fresh in their memory. They would be able to name ancestors who were taken away. I'm sure a common-sensy Irish persion would be perfectly cordial with a common-sensy Norwegian, but how volatile would a situation be if an authoritative Norwegian then raped or enslaved an Irish person? Would it flare up similarily to the guilt-business in America?
I say probably.

Not that I condone or applaud it - but I suspect it would be very sensitive.

[odeon]

bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"

^Consequences.

We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.

So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.

But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it

I just plussed you so I owe you one.

[El]

bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"

^Consequences.

We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.

So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.

But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it

It's not just old, bad blood, Zegh.  Our current state of affairs in regards to race is still pretty shitty, and moreso in certain parts of the country than others.  Ferguson is one of the places it's especially shitty.

['andersom']

bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"

^Consequences.

We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.

So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.

But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it

It's not just old, bad blood, Zegh.  Our current state of affairs in regards to race is still pretty shitty, and moreso in certain parts of the country than others.  Ferguson is one of the places it's especially shitty.

Would not surprise me if for the Sami it is not all in the past either. Zegh probably will know more about that. Old bad blood remains old and bad for a reason.

[ZEGH8578]

That was what I was saying.
The mistreatment of the Saami isn't much more distant than the slavery of blacks. It is just not very well known. But to the Saami, they are very well aware of it, and adult and elderly Saami still remember the "Norwegianization" that lasted long after the much more cruel and violent treatment was toned down. "Norwegianization" processes were continued eagerly into the 1970s.

The other slavery I mentioned was the industrial enslavement of inhabitants of the British Isles, but this is over 1000 years ago, and I used that time-span as an example of a possible wait, for such bad relations to finally fade.

Of course, it is not that simple in reality. Blacks are *visibly* different, the Irish or Saami are not. It will always be easyer to divide people when they are visibly different.

[RageBeoulve]

Yes, whities were slaves, but it's a long time ago.

This actually makes me curious, say, in the 1100s, by then I reckon we would be done enslaving the Irish, while at the same time, pillaging, slavery, rape and destruction would be relatively fresh in their memory. They would be able to name ancestors who were taken away. I'm sure a common-sensy Irish persion would be perfectly cordial with a common-sensy Norwegian, but how volatile would a situation be if an authoritative Norwegian then raped or enslaved an Irish person? Would it flare up similarily to the guilt-business in America?
I say probably.

Not that I condone or applaud it - but I suspect it would be very sensitive.

No. Its mostly white/black racism dumbassery in America. If you go further south whites blacks and Mexicans all hate each other. Native americans seem to be generally ignored.

Its pretty idiotic. America is stupid, Zegh. Its pretty much like you said, black and white skin is the most visually different and simple minds tent to gravitate towards what they can see in front of them in the moment.

"Fuck actually reading anything or learning about the history of slavery and racism! I by god see some shit and stuff and junk and that matters, plus fox news tells me shit that keeps me clued." 

[Dexter Morgan]

Here's a reason the local government in Ferguson is not representing the interests of black people:

6%

Jesus Christ.

[Jack]

Wondering what happened to drop the poll turnout so drastically for both races. Maybe there was none worth voting for in 2013, and race wasn't a factor.

[Parts]

Municipal elections are just as important as any other maybe even more so in that your directly effected by the actions of the people you voted for,  but nobody ever seems to take them seriously.  It's also where grassroots efforts can more easily cause change which I think the people there could use some of

[Jack]

Good point.

[benjimanbreeg]

When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots.  Same thing happened in London a few years ago.  A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil.  Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.

well riots are kind of counter productive and take a lot of effort... Further I've noted that when it comes to Isreal folks get all their granny panties in a twist oh yes they will do dang twister over that issue... it's weird but it's humanity go fig

Sorry, was that your attempt at making a point? 

[odeon]

When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots.  Same thing happened in London a few years ago.  A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil.  Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.

well riots are kind of counter productive and take a lot of effort... Further I've noted that when it comes to Isreal folks get all their granny panties in a twist oh yes they will do dang twister over that issue... it's weird but it's humanity go fig

Sorry, was that your attempt at making a point? 

Funny, considering how it took you close to three weeks to produce this brilliant reply.

[benjimanbreeg]

Yeah, the whole 3 weeks I was preparing it.  Short but sweet.