U.S. Air Strikes in Syria

[odeon]

Well, you surprise me Odeon, these aren't "conspiracy theories", and the statements I've presented really aren't more bold than "humans will do incredible shit for money, especially powerful humans."

Your problem is that the statements aren't credible. They come off as tinfoil fodder, and for good reason. There's plenty of information on the origins and funding of ISIS, but you choose to disregard it all.

Terror groups are autonomous, all you have to do is kick them along.

Another situation, that is guided in much the same manner is the pro-Russian rebellion in the Ukraine. Do you think these rebellions are also completely spontaneous, or is it easyer to believe conflict has been designed in this region, because Russia is more evil and corrupt?

It's a different discussion. Start a thread and I might respond. IF you bother to include facts.

Conflicts are designed, wether you like it or not. Even WW2 was triggered on false premises. I'm not saying "Bush drove the planes into 911 maaan!" or "Osama bin laden is an alien!" I'm saying terror groups and wars are not as out-of-the-blue as they seem.

There are many reasons to why WW2 happened but I think it is generally accepted that the actual trigger was the German invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939. Not sure what your false premises are supposed to mean in this context.

Maybe you should start another thread for this one, too.

[odeon]

So I take it you're OK with a leader using chemical weapons against his people?

 

Talking about believing fairy tales.  Yes, the US/Israel/UK were foaming at the mouth about going into Syria, begging for an excuse, then while the chemical weapons inspectors were in town, Assad thought it'd be a great idea to attack people with some chemical weapons!

You realize it wasn't proven that it definitely was Assad?  Most likely cause it wasn't.  Funny news channels manipulate people.  They will believe anything they see on TV, and won't believe anything, until it's been confirmed for them on TV.

Let's say Assad did use them.  Then still, why not be consistent and still fund him?  Israel poured white phosphorus over schools and hospitals in Gaza, and the US still gives them $7 million a day.

The UN report did not definitely pinpoint the origins of the chemical weapons, no, but the investigators were able to confirm the trajectories of some of the missiles--they came from government-controlled areas. There have also been accusations of the rebels using sarin gas, namely by one of the UN investigators.

These are not fairy tales. Horror stories, maybe, but not fairy tales.

But you do with your tinfoil hat what you will. It's obvious even to the most casual observer that you won't let facts get in the way.

[odeon]

As for the funding of the Islamic State, there is still little or no evidence to support that the Saudis or Qatar are doing it. However, there are links between it and the Syrian government. You might want to reconsider your position.

True.  Fox, the BBC or CNN haven't mentioned it yet!

Your assumptions regarding my sources do amuse me, though.

[odeon]

Oh, and...

[Zippo]

Does not matter Isis is going underground now. The bombs dropped first were by Aus. They killed 1 man. The bombs dropped by Brittan and France a single tank. Government should just give up now and save the three hundred million+ it will be spending (cad anyways)

[Arya Quinn]

If you bomb the crap out of an area, you're going to have civilian casualties. That's a tactic a guerilla force will use. They attack, then they hide when the bombs fall. The survivors of "operation bomb the crap out of this area" are then more likely to join them.

Did our leaders learn nothing from Iraq?

[ZEGH8578]

Not sure what your false premises are supposed to mean in this context.

The "false premises" were the Polish attack on a German radio station on the frontier. Vicious and uncalled for, leaving several German civilians killed.

That ^

Did you hear about that? Cus EVERY German in Germany heard about it. To every last German German, THAT^ was the reason WW2 begun. Not Jews, not Hitler, not Russians, but Polish aggression towards their civilians.
All the newspapers told the same story.

Now, 75 years later we know that the real reason for war was not unfounded Polish aggression, but a meticulous, sneaky plan, a big plan not just for Poland, but a plan so complete, it had visions for all of Europe, Asia, Scandinavia, North Africa.

So, okay, I'm gonna give you this: None of what I say can be proven, and I shouldn't be so sure about it when talking about it to other people. But you can't sit around and pretend that event after event, are ALL ass-random complete accidents nobody could ever have foreseen. You can't truly expect the Vietnam War to be the last time in history, when war was deliberate.

[benjimanbreeg]

So I take it you're OK with a leader using chemical weapons against his people?

 

Talking about believing fairy tales.  Yes, the US/Israel/UK were foaming at the mouth about going into Syria, begging for an excuse, then while the chemical weapons inspectors were in town, Assad thought it'd be a great idea to attack people with some chemical weapons!

You realize it wasn't proven that it definitely was Assad?  Most likely cause it wasn't.  Funny news channels manipulate people.  They will believe anything they see on TV, and won't believe anything, until it's been confirmed for them on TV.

Let's say Assad did use them.  Then still, why not be consistent and still fund him?  Israel poured white phosphorus over schools and hospitals in Gaza, and the US still gives them $7 million a day.

The UN report did not definitely pinpoint the origins of the chemical weapons, no, but the investigators were able to confirm the trajectories of some of the missiles--they came from government-controlled areas. There have also been accusations of the rebels using sarin gas, namely by one of the UN investigators.

These are not fairy tales. Horror stories, maybe, but not fairy tales.

But you do with your tinfoil hat what you will. It's obvious even to the most casual observer that you won't let facts get in the way.

If there are facts you were unaware of, they come under the tinfoil hat/conspiracy section.  So really, you cannot lose. 

Again, are you stupid enough to believe that Assad would bomb people while the inspectors were in town and Israeli lobbyists, Cameron and Obomber were foaming at the mouth about fighting Assad?  You will believe anything you see on TV, without question.  You realize if it wasn't the government, whoever did it would find a way of firing from a government controlled area?  Weren't some of your kind of "facts" in the past, ones like Saddam having nukes and was ready to blow us up in 45 minutes? 

[benjimanbreeg]

There's always other reasons for wars.

 “Germany’s unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.”    Winston Churchill

[odeon]

So I take it you're OK with a leader using chemical weapons against his people?

 

Talking about believing fairy tales.  Yes, the US/Israel/UK were foaming at the mouth about going into Syria, begging for an excuse, then while the chemical weapons inspectors were in town, Assad thought it'd be a great idea to attack people with some chemical weapons!

You realize it wasn't proven that it definitely was Assad?  Most likely cause it wasn't.  Funny news channels manipulate people.  They will believe anything they see on TV, and won't believe anything, until it's been confirmed for them on TV.

Let's say Assad did use them.  Then still, why not be consistent and still fund him?  Israel poured white phosphorus over schools and hospitals in Gaza, and the US still gives them $7 million a day.

The UN report did not definitely pinpoint the origins of the chemical weapons, no, but the investigators were able to confirm the trajectories of some of the missiles--they came from government-controlled areas. There have also been accusations of the rebels using sarin gas, namely by one of the UN investigators.

These are not fairy tales. Horror stories, maybe, but not fairy tales.

But you do with your tinfoil hat what you will. It's obvious even to the most casual observer that you won't let facts get in the way.

If there are facts you were unaware of, they come under the tinfoil hat/conspiracy section.  So really, you cannot lose. 

Again, are you stupid enough to believe that Assad would bomb people while the inspectors were in town and Israeli lobbyists, Cameron and Obomber were foaming at the mouth about fighting Assad?  You will believe anything you see on TV, without question.  You realize if it wasn't the government, whoever did it would find a way of firing from a government controlled area?  Weren't some of your kind of "facts" in the past, ones like Saddam having nukes and was ready to blow us up in 45 minutes?

I think it's hilarious that you resort to name-calling and unfounded assumptions every time you reply to my posts. You really aren't very good at this, are you?

[odeon]

The "false premises" were the Polish attack on a German radio station on the frontier. Vicious and uncalled for, leaving several German civilians killed.

Explain to me how this means WW2 was triggered on false premises.

[odeon]

There's always other reasons for wars.

 “Germany’s unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.”    Winston Churchill

There are many reasons for wars. I believe Winston Churchill repeatedly urged Britain not to ignore the threat from Germany long before they started their expansion. Mr Chamberlain managed to ignore most of them and Churchill remained ousted throughout most of the 30s, IIRC.

[odeon]

Where's Adam when we need him? He knows more about WW2 than most people here.

[benjimanbreeg]

So I take it you're OK with a leader using chemical weapons against his people?

 

Talking about believing fairy tales.  Yes, the US/Israel/UK were foaming at the mouth about going into Syria, begging for an excuse, then while the chemical weapons inspectors were in town, Assad thought it'd be a great idea to attack people with some chemical weapons!

You realize it wasn't proven that it definitely was Assad?  Most likely cause it wasn't.  Funny news channels manipulate people.  They will believe anything they see on TV, and won't believe anything, until it's been confirmed for them on TV.

Let's say Assad did use them.  Then still, why not be consistent and still fund him?  Israel poured white phosphorus over schools and hospitals in Gaza, and the US still gives them $7 million a day.

The UN report did not definitely pinpoint the origins of the chemical weapons, no, but the investigators were able to confirm the trajectories of some of the missiles--they came from government-controlled areas. There have also been accusations of the rebels using sarin gas, namely by one of the UN investigators.

These are not fairy tales. Horror stories, maybe, but not fairy tales.

But you do with your tinfoil hat what you will. It's obvious even to the most casual observer that you won't let facts get in the way.

If there are facts you were unaware of, they come under the tinfoil hat/conspiracy section.  So really, you cannot lose. 

Again, are you stupid enough to believe that Assad would bomb people while the inspectors were in town and Israeli lobbyists, Cameron and Obomber were foaming at the mouth about fighting Assad?  You will believe anything you see on TV, without question.  You realize if it wasn't the government, whoever did it would find a way of firing from a government controlled area?  Weren't some of your kind of "facts" in the past, ones like Saddam having nukes and was ready to blow us up in 45 minutes?

I think it's hilarious that you resort to name-calling and unfounded assumptions every time you reply to my posts. You really aren't very good at this, are you?

Cause you're above all of that?  You, who counter people with condescending memes and hint that people are mentally ill if they share stuff that you were unaware of.  I don't think it was over the top to ask if you were stupid enough to believe such nonsense. 

[benjimanbreeg]

There's always other reasons for wars.

 “Germany’s unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.”    Winston Churchill

There are many reasons for wars. I believe Winston Churchill repeatedly urged Britain not to ignore the threat from Germany long before they started their expansion. Mr Chamberlain managed to ignore most of them and Churchill remained ousted throughout most of the 30s, IIRC.

Yeah, that ancient alien slug was certainly beating the drum about Germany.  If we went to war because Germany invaded Poland, then why didn't we declare war on the Soviets, rather than fighting with them?  Maybe it was acceptable to attack Poland from the East, but not the West?  Hitler says he admired our Empire and say us as natural allies, where as Roosevelt said his greatest ambition was "to see the destruction of the British Empire", yet we made an alliance with the US and the Soviets?