U.S. Air Strikes in Syria

[Gopher Gary]

Odeon, you cannot take the "grown up who don't believe in fairy-tales"-stance with everything that is not "by the book". ISIS is most likely created and funded by western powers, as an extension of the ancient alien agenda. This is where you sigh and eye-roll, and go "ancient aliens don't exist! They're like ghouls, ghosts and Israel, they are fairy-tales!"

But no, Israel DOES exist, it's not just a spooky story told over camp-fires at night. Corruption DOES exist, and the creation of terrorist organizations DOES happen.
"Sheehs, AS IF! AS IF humans, as we know them, would willingly, knowingly, create conflict that despite costing human lives, will generate enormous wealth for a few. Humans never put wealth that high! Never! I am Buddha!"

That said, Ben is offering quite naive solutions. Stop the USA? Doing what exactly? It's not like they have open bank accounts, visible transfers. This is about what you can prove - and even when it's proven, it typically means nothing, the invasion of Iraq was agreed upon - globally - to be illegal.
It meant nothing.

My position is this one:
If I create a dooms-day robot, and unleash it among the people, and then demand a ransom to deactivate it - something only I can do, what would be the best course of action?
Punish me, by allowing my robot to annihilate mankind?
No.
Just pay me the damn ransom. Think of the innocent civilians.

The US, UK and Israel have taken the entire Middle East hostage, and they are now kindly asking for some support in taking out the hostagetaker. The least we can do is squint our eyes, sigh heavily, think of the civilians, and provide them with some jetfighter support.

I'm taking Zeg hostage and demanding loads of cash to deactivate him. 

[odeon]

Odeon, you cannot take the "grown up who don't believe in fairy-tales"-stance with everything that is not "by the book". ISIS is most likely created and funded by western powers, as an extension of the ancient alien agenda. This is where you sigh and eye-roll, and go "ancient aliens don't exist! They're like ghouls, ghosts and Israel, they are fairy-tales!"

But no, Israel DOES exist, it's not just a spooky story told over camp-fires at night. Corruption DOES exist, and the creation of terrorist organizations DOES happen.
"Sheehs, AS IF! AS IF humans, as we know them, would willingly, knowingly, create conflict that despite costing human lives, will generate enormous wealth for a few. Humans never put wealth that high! Never! I am Buddha!"

That said, Ben is offering quite naive solutions. Stop the USA? Doing what exactly? It's not like they have open bank accounts, visible transfers. This is about what you can prove - and even when it's proven, it typically means nothing, the invasion of Iraq was agreed upon - globally - to be illegal.
It meant nothing.

My position is this one:
If I create a dooms-day robot, and unleash it among the people, and then demand a ransom to deactivate it - something only I can do, what would be the best course of action?
Punish me, by allowing my robot to annihilate mankind?
No.
Just pay me the damn ransom. Think of the innocent civilians.

The US, UK and Israel have taken the entire Middle East hostage, and they are now kindly asking for some support in taking out the hostagetaker. The least we can do is squint our eyes, sigh heavily, think of the civilians, and provide them with some jetfighter support.

I believe their origins are reasonable well researched. Speaking of fairy tales, though, will you be bringing up Ancient Aliens next?

[ZEGH8578]

Odeon, you cannot take the "grown up who don't believe in fairy-tales"-stance with everything that is not "by the book". ISIS is most likely created and funded by western powers, as an extension of the ancient alien agenda. This is where you sigh and eye-roll, and go "ancient aliens don't exist! They're like ghouls, ghosts and Israel, they are fairy-tales!"

But no, Israel DOES exist, it's not just a spooky story told over camp-fires at night. Corruption DOES exist, and the creation of terrorist organizations DOES happen.
"Sheehs, AS IF! AS IF humans, as we know them, would willingly, knowingly, create conflict that despite costing human lives, will generate enormous wealth for a few. Humans never put wealth that high! Never! I am Buddha!"

That said, Ben is offering quite naive solutions. Stop the USA? Doing what exactly? It's not like they have open bank accounts, visible transfers. This is about what you can prove - and even when it's proven, it typically means nothing, the invasion of Iraq was agreed upon - globally - to be illegal.
It meant nothing.

My position is this one:
If I create a dooms-day robot, and unleash it among the people, and then demand a ransom to deactivate it - something only I can do, what would be the best course of action?
Punish me, by allowing my robot to annihilate mankind?
No.
Just pay me the damn ransom. Think of the innocent civilians.

The US, UK and Israel have taken the entire Middle East hostage, and they are now kindly asking for some support in taking out the hostagetaker. The least we can do is squint our eyes, sigh heavily, think of the civilians, and provide them with some jetfighter support.

I believe their origins are reasonable well researched. Speaking of fairy tales, though, will you be bringing up Ancient Aliens next?

How do you come to such conclusions? Aliens?

I have said: IS' origin is a deliberate tension of the Middle East. I've said - people high up in IS might have Mossad connections.

You equate that with ALIENS.

^Osama, with CIA dude.

Nono, you will. Not. Accept that, becaaaause? Countries are trustworthy? Official story-lines are trustworthy? Really?
I'm saying IS has been created. I never said a word about aliens, but something as elemental as a terror-group being created, that is UNTHINKABLE to you?

Also, when you say "well researched", someone like me is gonna notice.
What exactly is well researched? How is it researched in a way you consider well? What part of the research sits best with you 
I know what you did, you said "well researched", but there is no meaning to that, cus I have access to the same TV and same news as you, and there is no "research" whatsoever. There's a bunch of guessing.
But go on, inform me about this research, I'm curious now :I

[RageBeoulve]

 

This is kind of like the well researched official story of what happened to the WTC. Its well researched, citizen. I know it looks a bit strange to you, but you need to move along. I don't want any "why did/does" questions, y'hear me? *points a gun*

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Fuck! are we going to go down the rabbit hole of 9/11 conspiracy theories too??        

[RageBeoulve]

Fuck! are we going to go down the rabbit hole of 9/11 conspiracy theories too??        

No. I'm honest enough to say I do not believe the official story(too many inconsistencies), and I have no idea what actually did happen. I am not a scientist or a professional skyscraper builder. I'd very much like to be told the truth about it, but probably nothing short of all out warfare against the U.S. state then waterboarding the officials involved would reveal it, and these things just aren't something I condone doing.

[odeon]

Odeon, you cannot take the "grown up who don't believe in fairy-tales"-stance with everything that is not "by the book". ISIS is most likely created and funded by western powers, as an extension of the ancient alien agenda. This is where you sigh and eye-roll, and go "ancient aliens don't exist! They're like ghouls, ghosts and Israel, they are fairy-tales!"

But no, Israel DOES exist, it's not just a spooky story told over camp-fires at night. Corruption DOES exist, and the creation of terrorist organizations DOES happen.
"Sheehs, AS IF! AS IF humans, as we know them, would willingly, knowingly, create conflict that despite costing human lives, will generate enormous wealth for a few. Humans never put wealth that high! Never! I am Buddha!"

That said, Ben is offering quite naive solutions. Stop the USA? Doing what exactly? It's not like they have open bank accounts, visible transfers. This is about what you can prove - and even when it's proven, it typically means nothing, the invasion of Iraq was agreed upon - globally - to be illegal.
It meant nothing.

My position is this one:
If I create a dooms-day robot, and unleash it among the people, and then demand a ransom to deactivate it - something only I can do, what would be the best course of action?
Punish me, by allowing my robot to annihilate mankind?
No.
Just pay me the damn ransom. Think of the innocent civilians.

The US, UK and Israel have taken the entire Middle East hostage, and they are now kindly asking for some support in taking out the hostagetaker. The least we can do is squint our eyes, sigh heavily, think of the civilians, and provide them with some jetfighter support.

I believe their origins are reasonable well researched. Speaking of fairy tales, though, will you be bringing up Ancient Aliens next?

How do you come to such conclusions? Aliens?

I have said: IS' origin is a deliberate tension of the Middle East. I've said - people high up in IS might have Mossad connections.

You equate that with ALIENS.

^Osama, with CIA dude.

Nono, you will. Not. Accept that, becaaaause? Countries are trustworthy? Official story-lines are trustworthy? Really?
I'm saying IS has been created. I never said a word about aliens, but something as elemental as a terror-group being created, that is UNTHINKABLE to you?

Also, when you say "well researched", someone like me is gonna notice.
What exactly is well researched? How is it researched in a way you consider well? What part of the research sits best with you 
I know what you did, you said "well researched", but there is no meaning to that, cus I have access to the same TV and same news as you, and there is no "research" whatsoever. There's a bunch of guessing.
But go on, inform me about this research, I'm curious now :I

I am making fun of your initial statement, "ISIS is most likely created and funded by western powers, as an extension of the ancient alien agenda." It's only a step or two away from Ancient Aliens, in my no-so-humble opinion. Great entertainment value but that's about it.

As for research, IIRC, Wikipedia is an excellent way to start, with both a reasonably non-sensationalist article and a number of relevant references. Very few conspiracy theories, though, so you lot might be disappointed.

[odeon]

Oh, and btw. Yes, I know about Osama's Afghanistan days. It's not a big secret. It is, however, not particularly relevant in this context and does not mean that (OMG) the CIA funded Al Qaeda.

^Osama, with CIA dude.

[odeon]

Fuck! are we going to go down the rabbit hole of 9/11 conspiracy theories too??        

See why I brought in Ancient Aliens?

[RageBeoulve]

 

[Parts]

Those damn aliens are behind everything

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Fuck! are we going to go down the rabbit hole of 9/11 conspiracy theories too??        

See why I brought in Ancient Aliens?

Yup. You can't have a rational conversation with these nutjobs (Rage, Zegh and Benji) about anything pertaining to the middle east.

They've engaged in so much confirmation bias that they can't be convinced they're wrong.

I've even got a way to prove it. 

[ZEGH8578]

Well, you surprise me Odeon, these aren't "conspiracy theories", and the statements I've presented really aren't more bold than "humans will do incredible shit for money, especially powerful humans."

Terror groups are autonomous, all you have to do is kick them along.

Another situation, that is guided in much the same manner is the pro-Russian rebellion in the Ukraine. Do you think these rebellions are also completely spontaneous, or is it easyer to believe conflict has been designed in this region, because Russia is more evil and corrupt?

Conflicts are designed, wether you like it or not. Even WW2 was triggered on false premises. I'm not saying "Bush drove the planes into 911 maaan!" or "Osama bin laden is an alien!" I'm saying terror groups and wars are not as out-of-the-blue as they seem.

[benjimanbreeg]

So I take it you're OK with a leader using chemical weapons against his people?

 

Talking about believing fairy tales.  Yes, the US/Israel/UK were foaming at the mouth about going into Syria, begging for an excuse, then while the chemical weapons inspectors were in town, Assad thought it'd be a great idea to attack people with some chemical weapons!

You realize it wasn't proven that it definitely was Assad?  Most likely cause it wasn't.  Funny news channels manipulate people.  They will believe anything they see on TV, and won't believe anything, until it's been confirmed for them on TV.

Let's say Assad did use them.  Then still, why not be consistent and still fund him?  Israel poured white phosphorus over schools and hospitals in Gaza, and the US still gives them $7 million a day.

[benjimanbreeg]

As for the funding of the Islamic State, there is still little or no evidence to support that the Saudis or Qatar are doing it. However, there are links between it and the Syrian government. You might want to reconsider your position.

True.  Fox, the BBC or CNN haven't mentioned it yet!