U.S. Air Strikes in Syria

[RageBeoulve]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Its murder.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I think most people are still human, some even decent, and only a select few would seriously consider beheading others for whatever reason. The problem is that it's the latter that gets all the attention.

Not exactly accurate. The majority of Germans killing Jews at the concentration camps were normal "decent" people. Many of them had to drink themselves into oblivion in order to do their jobs.

The majority of the Germans killing Jews at the concentrations was a minority of the total population. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

Of course they were a minority of Germans but they were a good cross section of German society, they were "regular Joes".  My point is that even "good" people will do evil things when commanded to by higher authority

That's where we disagree. I don't think most people would get into beheading others.

You're forgetting the important psychological studies on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I have science and recorded history to back up my opinion. You just have an opinion.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

No. China has been funding the war all along. The US mans the war, China funds the war, and the entire continent of Europe carries the duty of assimilating the general public of the middle east to accept western standards of society. Haven't you ever wondered why a continent, formally considered extremely difficult for foreign immigration to gain citizenship, suddenly is so open armed to accept so may people? The UK has the role nice guy right now, but will one day stand up as the world superpower they truly are, and the US will be their noble ally. In the meantime the politicians will convince the general public they're doing the honorable thing, rescuing those people from the evil USofA.

 

Have already said it all here before. Jack is brilliantly insightful when having her tinfoil hat on.

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,22268.0.html

[Jack]

You no like Jack's conspiracy theory? It's very logical.

[benjimanbreeg]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Right.  Politics as a whole needs to be torn apart and just start things from scratch.

[Jack]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Right.  Politics as a whole needs to be torn apart and just start things from scratch.

It wouldn't matter. People who can be trusted in positions of power generally don't want positions of power.

[benjimanbreeg]

Force simply isn't ever going to be the answer. It has been used to "solve" problems countless times in the past, and it always creates several new ones.

That independence thing you guys had a couple of hundred years ago didn't solve anything. I know.

Now we're a problem for everyone else.

No. China has been funding the war all along. The US mans the war, China funds the war, and the entire continent of Europe carries the duty of assimilating the general public of the middle east to accept western standards of society. Haven't you ever wondered why a continent, formally considered extremely difficult for foreign immigration to gain citizenship, suddenly is so open armed to accept so may people? The UK has the role nice guy right now, but will one day stand up as the world superpower they truly are, and the US will be their noble ally. In the meantime the politicians will convince the general public they're doing the honorable thing, rescuing those people from the evil USofA.

The UK is important, but it's not a superpower.

It's a joke.

Would have to disagree with calling any world superpower a joke; though tend to prefer a big picture perspective of the situation.

We don't have any power.  We're just like a boil on USrael's arse.

I don't really think it's that funny.  We get dragged into the endless wars and are too pathetic to say no thanks. 

[benjimanbreeg]

They should be on minimum wage.

[Arya Quinn]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Right.  Politics as a whole needs to be torn apart and just start things from scratch.

It wouldn't matter. People who can be trusted in positions of power generally don't want positions of power.

Not to mention that power can corrupt people.

[benjimanbreeg]

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[RageBeoulve]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Right.  Politics as a whole needs to be torn apart and just start things from scratch.

It wouldn't matter. People who can be trusted in positions of power generally don't want positions of power.

Not to mention that power can corrupt people.

Such power can corrupt anyone, no matter how virtuous they were to begin with. This is why it makes absolutely no sense to condense it all into a small space among a few people. That only makes things infinitely worse when those people become dishonest or complacent and start to make horrible decisions, which under the magnifying glass of state power focuses their destructive thinking into a BEAM. A beam that is responsible for more deaths and injustice than anything that has ever existed in all of human history, or any natural phenomenon that has ever happened as long as humans have existed.


An elite class, or oligarchy. Fucking STUPID. Allowing people such power is like begging to be stolen from, have your labor and resources wasted, and to be killed.

[odeon]

I think most people are still human, some even decent, and only a select few would seriously consider beheading others for whatever reason. The problem is that it's the latter that gets all the attention.

Not exactly accurate. The majority of Germans killing Jews at the concentration camps were normal "decent" people. Many of them had to drink themselves into oblivion in order to do their jobs.

The majority of the Germans killing Jews at the concentrations was a minority of the total population. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

Of course they were a minority of Germans but they were a good cross section of German society, they were "regular Joes".  My point is that even "good" people will do evil things when commanded to by higher authority

That's where we disagree. I don't think most people would get into beheading others.

You're forgetting the important psychological studies on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I have science and recorded history to back up my opinion. You just have an opinion.

You might want to skip to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Criticism and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Criticism, respectively. My views remain unchanged are not just opinions.

[odeon]

The US and UK politicians do actually make out like they're doing the honorable thing by bombing people.

It's what politicians do.

Right.  Politics as a whole needs to be torn apart and just start things from scratch.

And we need to stop fighting and love our neighbours. Dream on.

[benjimanbreeg]

Says the guy with John Lennon as his avatar 

[odeon]

That's because I'm complicated.