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U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« on: September 23, 2014, 05:02:05 PM »


The United States launched several airstrikes against ISIS targets inside Syria for the first time late Monday in what a defense official said was a "successful" start in a new front in the battle against the terror group and, separately, in potentially averting an imminent threat to the homeland from a shadowy al Qaeda group.

While the United States is still "assessing the effectiveness" of the bombing campaign against ISIS, which included up to 20 targets, the Pentagon believes “that we were successful in hitting what we were aiming at,” Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said.

"We took out command-and-control facilities, supply depots, some training areas, some vehicles and trucks, that kind of thing. Mainly, what we were going after was this group's ability to sustain itself, to resource itself and to, frankly, command and control and lead their forces,” Kirby told “Good Morning America,” referring to ISIS.

Many of the targets were in and around Raqqa, Syria, believed to be an ISIS stronghold, a defense official said Monday. Several Arab nations took part in the U.S.-led operation: Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, the U.S. military's Central Command said early today.

Separately, the U.S. military unilaterally launched eight strikes against the Khorasan Group, a little-known al Qaeda cell that Kirby said was “plotting and planning imminent attacks against Western targets to include the U.S. homeland.”

“It was on that basis that we struck targets, Khorasan targets, inside Syria. We believe the individuals [who] were plotting and planning it have been eliminated and we’re going to continue, as I said, to assess the effectiveness of our strikes going through today,” he said.

More:http://abcnews.go.com/International/airstrikes-successful-isis-targets-syria-us-military/story?id=25686031

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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2014, 05:39:57 PM »
Ok, so more than a million people dead since two thousand three to last year directly because of American attacks in the middle east. (Which is equivalent to about thirty million americans)

Yeah, lets just keep fucking doing it man.  :GA:
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 06:26:03 PM »
Ok, so more than a million people dead since two thousand three to last year directly because of American attacks in the middle east. (Which is equivalent to about thirty million americans)

Yeah, lets just keep fucking doing it man.  :GA:

Where do you get your numbers?  I am not saying that there were not a lot of deaths  but more than a million seems a bit exaggerated and at the very least it probably includes attacks carried out by the resistance against their fellow Iraqis
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 06:56:48 AM »
I was worried that we hadn't bombed every country in the world yet.
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 11:57:32 AM »
Ok, so more than a million people dead since two thousand three to last year directly because of American attacks in the middle east. (Which is equivalent to about thirty million americans)

Yeah, lets just keep fucking doing it man.  :GA:

Where do you get your numbers?  I am not saying that there were not a lot of deaths  but more than a million seems a bit exaggerated and at the very least it probably includes attacks carried out by the resistance against their fellow Iraqis

Its pretty typical to think that. I used to, until I looked at the facts. Lemme help, bro.

Al-Qaeda

http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1986:_Stinger_Missile

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

http://nation.time.com/2011/06/29/the-5-trillion-war-on-terror

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fed-americans-wealth-dropped-40-percent/2012/06/11/gJQAlIsCVV_story.html

 

Iraq

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/21/iraq.iraq

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665670/ISIS-seize-key-border-crossings-Syria-Jordan-John-Kerry-lands-Baghdad-showdown-talks-Iraqi-PM.html

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/how-the-us-made-isis-a-threat

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/was-camp-bucca-pressure-cooker-extremism

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/20/5827046/who-are-sunnis-who-are-shias

 

Libya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/isis-libya-nato_b_5764988.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610598/Group-US-switched-sides-War-Terror-facilitating-500-MILLION-weapons-deliveries-Libyan-al-Qaeda-militias-leading-Benghazi-attack.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3760226769001/gen-mcinerney-provides-insight-into-ukraine-crisis

 

Syria

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/09/08/14-million-refugees-make-the-levant-unmanageable

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577464763551149048

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/06/rice-united-states-is-leading-with-lethal-and-non-lethal-aid-to-syria

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/08/US-Backed-Moderate-Free-Syrian-Army-Factions-Join-Islamic-State-Terror-Group

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11052919/How-Isil-is-funded-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/eight-facts-everyone-should-know-about-the-rise-of-isis-and-the-new-war-in-iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/asking_the_wrong_questions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/syria-death-toll_n_5626482.html

 

Misc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740998/ISIS-release-video-showing-beheading-American-journalist-Steven-Sotloff.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/text-obamas-speech-destroying-isis_804732.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/a-return-to-action.html

http://www.vox.com/c...ow/what-is-isis
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 12:04:47 PM »
Just say you like to kill muslims, Scrap. I see you looking at this thread, gheying away. Why don't we talk about that? What exactly is your bloodlust about?
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 12:18:08 PM »
Its pretty typical to think that. I used to, until I looked at the facts. Lemme help, bro.

Al-Qaeda

http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1986:_Stinger_Missile

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

http://nation.time.com/2011/06/29/the-5-trillion-war-on-terror

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fed-americans-wealth-dropped-40-percent/2012/06/11/gJQAlIsCVV_story.html

 

Iraq

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/21/iraq.iraq

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665670/ISIS-seize-key-border-crossings-Syria-Jordan-John-Kerry-lands-Baghdad-showdown-talks-Iraqi-PM.html

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/how-the-us-made-isis-a-threat

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/was-camp-bucca-pressure-cooker-extremism

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/20/5827046/who-are-sunnis-who-are-shias

 

Libya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/isis-libya-nato_b_5764988.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610598/Group-US-switched-sides-War-Terror-facilitating-500-MILLION-weapons-deliveries-Libyan-al-Qaeda-militias-leading-Benghazi-attack.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3760226769001/gen-mcinerney-provides-insight-into-ukraine-crisis

 

Syria

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/09/08/14-million-refugees-make-the-levant-unmanageable

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577464763551149048

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/06/rice-united-states-is-leading-with-lethal-and-non-lethal-aid-to-syria

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/08/US-Backed-Moderate-Free-Syrian-Army-Factions-Join-Islamic-State-Terror-Group

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11052919/How-Isil-is-funded-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/eight-facts-everyone-should-know-about-the-rise-of-isis-and-the-new-war-in-iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/asking_the_wrong_questions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/syria-death-toll_n_5626482.html

 

Misc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740998/ISIS-release-video-showing-beheading-American-journalist-Steven-Sotloff.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/text-obamas-speech-destroying-isis_804732.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/a-return-to-action.html

http://www.vox.com/c...ow/what-is-isis


Aaah, the shotgun of bullshit approach. Bury your opponent in so much irrelevant information that they can't form a counter argument. Gee, I've never seen this done before.    ::)       ::)        ::)


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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 08:12:29 PM »
Shot gun approach indeed did any of those links pertain to the question I asked?  Here's a few that do, the last one being the best of the bunch.   The low number is  at 195000 and the high was 460000 including all sides.


https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9932214/Iraq-war-10-years-on-at-least-116000-civilians-killed.html
http://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 09:18:55 PM »
Its pretty typical to think that. I used to, until I looked at the facts. Lemme help, bro.

Al-Qaeda

http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1986:_Stinger_Missile

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

http://nation.time.com/2011/06/29/the-5-trillion-war-on-terror

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fed-americans-wealth-dropped-40-percent/2012/06/11/gJQAlIsCVV_story.html

 

Iraq

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/21/iraq.iraq

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665670/ISIS-seize-key-border-crossings-Syria-Jordan-John-Kerry-lands-Baghdad-showdown-talks-Iraqi-PM.html

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/how-the-us-made-isis-a-threat

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/was-camp-bucca-pressure-cooker-extremism

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/20/5827046/who-are-sunnis-who-are-shias

 

Libya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/isis-libya-nato_b_5764988.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610598/Group-US-switched-sides-War-Terror-facilitating-500-MILLION-weapons-deliveries-Libyan-al-Qaeda-militias-leading-Benghazi-attack.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3760226769001/gen-mcinerney-provides-insight-into-ukraine-crisis

 

Syria

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/09/08/14-million-refugees-make-the-levant-unmanageable

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577464763551149048

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/06/rice-united-states-is-leading-with-lethal-and-non-lethal-aid-to-syria

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/08/US-Backed-Moderate-Free-Syrian-Army-Factions-Join-Islamic-State-Terror-Group

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11052919/How-Isil-is-funded-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/eight-facts-everyone-should-know-about-the-rise-of-isis-and-the-new-war-in-iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/asking_the_wrong_questions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/syria-death-toll_n_5626482.html

 

Misc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740998/ISIS-release-video-showing-beheading-American-journalist-Steven-Sotloff.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/text-obamas-speech-destroying-isis_804732.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/a-return-to-action.html

http://www.vox.com/c...ow/what-is-isis


Aaah, the shotgun of bullshit approach. Bury your opponent in so much irrelevant information that they can't form a counter argument. Gee, I've never seen this done before.    ::)       ::)        ::)

Irrelevant how? I see you guys are annoyed by a large amount of info on this subject. Especially crapheap, who envisions muslims as the forces of darkness from lord of the rings.

For Parts, I will narrow it down to only his question.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2007/09/14/poll-civilian-death-toll-iraq-may-top-1-million

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/08/100827_iraq_deaths_nh_sl.shtml

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14501232

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/06/13/iraq-death-tolls-yet-again/
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 10:55:19 PM »
I'm not usually in favour of the US starting wars in the middle east, but I'd say that everyone benefits from someone doing something about the Islamic State.
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 02:04:57 AM »
Its pretty typical to think that. I used to, until I looked at the facts. Lemme help, bro.

Al-Qaeda

http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam

http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1986:_Stinger_Missile

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

http://nation.time.com/2011/06/29/the-5-trillion-war-on-terror

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fed-americans-wealth-dropped-40-percent/2012/06/11/gJQAlIsCVV_story.html

 

Iraq

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/21/iraq.iraq

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665670/ISIS-seize-key-border-crossings-Syria-Jordan-John-Kerry-lands-Baghdad-showdown-talks-Iraqi-PM.html

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/how-the-us-made-isis-a-threat

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/was-camp-bucca-pressure-cooker-extremism

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/20/5827046/who-are-sunnis-who-are-shias

 

Libya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/isis-libya-nato_b_5764988.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610598/Group-US-switched-sides-War-Terror-facilitating-500-MILLION-weapons-deliveries-Libyan-al-Qaeda-militias-leading-Benghazi-attack.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3760226769001/gen-mcinerney-provides-insight-into-ukraine-crisis

 

Syria

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/09/08/14-million-refugees-make-the-levant-unmanageable

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303410404577464763551149048

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/06/rice-united-states-is-leading-with-lethal-and-non-lethal-aid-to-syria

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/08/US-Backed-Moderate-Free-Syrian-Army-Factions-Join-Islamic-State-Terror-Group

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11052919/How-Isil-is-funded-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/eight-facts-everyone-should-know-about-the-rise-of-isis-and-the-new-war-in-iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/asking_the_wrong_questions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/syria-death-toll_n_5626482.html

 

Misc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740998/ISIS-release-video-showing-beheading-American-journalist-Steven-Sotloff.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/text-obamas-speech-destroying-isis_804732.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/a-return-to-action.html

http://www.vox.com/c...ow/what-is-isis


Aaah, the shotgun of bullshit approach. Bury your opponent in so much irrelevant information that they can't form a counter argument. Gee, I've never seen this done before.    ::)       ::)        ::)

Irrelevant how? I see you guys are annoyed by a large amount of info on this subject. Especially crapheap, who envisions muslims as the forces of darkness from lord of the rings.

For Parts, I will narrow it down to only his question.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2007/09/14/poll-civilian-death-toll-iraq-may-top-1-million

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/08/100827_iraq_deaths_nh_sl.shtml

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14501232

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/06/13/iraq-death-tolls-yet-again/
 ;)

I can't believe that someone published the first one at all based on how it was done
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According to the ORB poll, a survey of 1,461 adults suggested that the total number slain during more than four years of war was more than 1.2 million.

ORB said it drew its conclusion from responses to the question about those living under one roof: "How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003?"

Based on Iraq's estimated number of households -- 4,050,597 -- it said the 1.2 million figure was reasonable.

Did you even read the last one it actually refuted the bigger numbers and complained  about how they were exaggerated showing flaws used in the studies used in the other links :GA:


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2. I think that far too many people have died, which is a terrible indictment not of the decision to invade but of the failure to prepare for what followed. I do not agree with opponents of invasion, but that 100,000-150,000 have died should be enough for them to make their case without having to exaggerate the toll by a factor of as much as 10.
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
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Newspaper this morning talked about strong indications Assad is using chemical weapons again. Apparently he feels pretty safe to do so, right now.
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Re: U.S. Air Strikes in Syria
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 12:05:19 PM »
I'm not usually in favour of the US starting wars in the middle east, but I'd say that everyone benefits from someone doing something about the Islamic State.

But how do you fight an idea?  air strikes can do damage,  ground troops can also do some damage and harm themselves in the process.  You can obliterate infrastructure, buildings, homes, land even countries but then the same threat pops up somewhere else!  So many people have the same idea

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