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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #165 on: October 04, 2014, 02:18:59 AM »
Simplified =/= incorrect.

I believe I used the word "simplistic". ::)
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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #166 on: October 04, 2014, 02:20:37 AM »
I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem.  Or maybe the anger is in their DNA   :apondering:

Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:

Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?

Until we stop doing it, we'll never know.  Globalization is the disease.  We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.

Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.

Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.

Could you perhaps raise the sarcasm level just a touch?  I have trouble detecting it...

Darn. I went for subtle. :zoinks:

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I'm not being black and white, i'm just thinking of the route causes, rather than using black and white thinking and just focusing on some Jihadi John guy who keep beheading people.  What about the 3 million plus Iraqis that have lost their lives during America's 2 wars?  America wanted to fight with these organ eating butchers last year.  America pays Israel to bulldoze people's homes with the residents inside, so you're right, there is actually evil in the world.

How's your response not black and white? You've taken a very simplistic approach.

Cause i'm not just watching the news and buying that we need to bomb more people.  I realize there are tons of other reasons why we go in and bomb the Middle East, and most of them have nothing to do with what we're being told.

And what other sources do you use to enhance your world views?
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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #167 on: October 04, 2014, 08:08:46 AM »
Numerous ones.  Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit. 
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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #168 on: October 04, 2014, 12:20:43 PM »
Numerous ones.  Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.

The problem is, that there's no real way to tell the difference.   :police:

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #169 on: October 04, 2014, 02:23:49 PM »
Numerous ones.  Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.

And you found these hidden fountains of wisdom where and can you share so we all can be enlightened?
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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #170 on: October 04, 2014, 04:58:36 PM »
Just by continuing to look for the truth. 

You get people like Norman Finkelstein who's been studying the Israel/Palestine conflict for 32 years and knows more than anyone else, yet mainstream media won't have him on, they'd rather have Gene Simmons.  Finkelstein has only been on the Michael Coren show in the US, and Democracy Now, only because he's good friends with Amy Goodman.  You get moronic fucktards like Alan Dershowitz who've tried to silence him, and have been dismantled by him.  He is mainly seen on RT, which I know is full of propaganda like Western news channels, but it's refreshing to hear, and at least they will have anyone on.

I'd say Noam Chomsky is pretty ignored to, given the stature he has.

Come across numerous journalists like Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich and John Wight.  I think it's best to listen to all arguments, however "extreme", then make your mind up. 
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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #171 on: October 05, 2014, 02:32:32 AM »
Numerous ones.  Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.

The problem is, that there's no real way to tell the difference.   :police:

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #172 on: October 05, 2014, 02:40:20 AM »
Here, as in the ISIS discussion, it seems to me that you start with your opinions and then go for anything that will back them up.

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #173 on: October 05, 2014, 09:36:18 AM »
The assumption is that war and terrorism is unwanted by the ruling powers.

Remember that money talks. War, terrorism, in particular destruction, generates money.
It's not tinfoilism, it is what causes war to never quite end. Watch for yourself, it's not gonna end. It has gone Orwellian, and has done so long ago. America has become an expert in constant warfare, why? Because America is one of the most money-ruled nations on earth.
Russia is following closely, and has been paying money for continous warfare since they stopped being commie - almost on the day, continous
While America bombed Serbia, Russia bombed Grozny, they then shelled half of Dagestan, then more of Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan. They fuel insurrection in - then get involved in Ossetia and Abkhazia, and in the process go to outright war with Georgia, and invades them - a scenario almost every neighbor of Russia expects at some point.

They're finally done with Georgia, go back to simmering instabilities in the Caucasus, before they invade Ukraine - this time "unofficially", since the invading forces are Russian civilians, technically speaking.

ISIS is quite similar to the Ruski volunteers, a bunch of disgruntled UK-Moroccan rappers and whatnot. They have lived 20, 30 years in a liberty where decapitation seems completely surreal. We have seen the simplicity of terrorism as of late, take a rifle, start shooting people. We have seen the very simplicity of government in action, coups, the hands-on-potential of it, so - fully inspired, ISIS are encouraged to just go hands-on on the middle east, decapitate anyone refusing to leave parliament, and simply taking their own seats in the building "We have a caliphate now!" Yes. Yes you actually do, that is how simple it is to create a country. The panicking plebs are now your population to do as you wish with. Except, of course, it is equally simple to depose them, and replace them. Change of government is simple both days.
ISIS are encouraged not by themselves, but by "higher powers". I've seen unconfirmed suggestions that ISIS have backgrounds primarily in Mossad, but also in UK, French and American intelligence, and I am not surprised AT ALL. Again, no tinfoil: It isn't difficult, impossible or unlikely to create armed terror-groups discretely. People imagine it is VERY complicated, but IT IS NOT. It is VERY - VERY easy. People are so hard-coded to freak out by themselves, you only have to give them an umbrella to organize under, and physical arms and ammunition, and some actual - practical guidelines.

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #174 on: October 06, 2014, 11:36:38 PM »
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #175 on: October 07, 2014, 05:39:35 AM »
And a sound rebuttal by the O-man. A meme.  :LOL:
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #176 on: October 07, 2014, 09:54:45 AM »
I find this reaction very strange. "Deliberate politics driving nations towards war? NEVER! UN-Thinkable!"

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #177 on: October 07, 2014, 10:08:48 AM »
 :orly:
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #178 on: October 07, 2014, 10:45:25 AM »
And a sound rebuttal by the O-man. A meme.  :LOL:

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Fatality waits in the wings
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Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Stripping citizenship from terrorists
« Reply #179 on: October 08, 2014, 08:43:47 AM »
seriously tho

1. it's not THAT far fetched. "false flag" is a common tactic, often documented. Do we have to assume false-flag attacks never occur, unless they are well documented historical examples? Nobody here has spoken of fucking aliens, we're talking about common, human politics, corruption and capitalism.

2. when have we talked about aliens before? odeon's reacting as if we ALWAYS talk about aliens, "oh, here we go again!", and obviously pappy's all over that "YES! ALWAYS ABOUT THE ALIENS! *fap fap fap*"

I mean, what's wrong with "Guys, I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's not THAT intricate."
does he respond the same way with everything?
"I think it might rain tomorrow"
"OH, so you believe in ALIENS TOO NOW!?"