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This is sad  :(


It's as sad as it is unjust.   The law does not allow grandparents rights. 

It usually occurs through no fault of their own,  and down to squabbling parents.
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 05:50:23 AM »
How would you allocate grandparents' rights, and why should the government overrule the wishes of the parents?
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 08:04:45 AM »
I think if a kid is old enough to say they want to see their grandparents then they should be able to.  Unless they are known kiddy fiddlers. 

Governments overrule wishes of parents  anyway when they award custody.   Why should a parents prejudice affect the rights of other family members?

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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 08:32:46 AM »
I think if a kid is old enough to say they want to see their grandparents then they should be able to.  Unless they are known kiddy fiddlers. 

Governments overrule wishes of parents anyway when they award custody.   Why should a parents prejudice affect the rights of other family members?

Perhaps they do in the UK, but if the parents come to an agreement in America, a judge is unlikely to change it. In general, judges don't interfere unless there's a dispute between the parents.

Why do grandparents deserve any rights to see a child? It's not their child, and there are family members closer to the child (the parents) who are qualified to make decisions for him/her. And if grandparents have rights, why not award visitation to all family members? Could an aunt or a first cousin sue for visitation?
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 10:47:49 AM »
I think if a kid is old enough to say they want to see their grandparents then they should be able to.  Unless they are known kiddy fiddlers. 

Governments overrule wishes of parents anyway when they award custody.   Why should a parents prejudice affect the rights of other family members?

Perhaps they do in the UK, but if the parents come to an agreement in America, a judge is unlikely to change it. In general, judges don't interfere unless there's a dispute between the parents.

Why do grandparents deserve any rights to see a child? It's not their child, and there are family members closer to the child (the parents) who are qualified to make decisions for him/her. And if grandparents have rights, why not award visitation to all family members? Could an aunt or a first cousin sue for visitation?

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It's not their child, and there are family members closer to the child (the parents) who are qualified to make decisions for him/her.
  How do you know that?  There are plenty of kids who have deceased parent/s.

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Could an aunt or a first cousin sue for visitation?
I wouldn't extend it that far.  The child can see whoever they want once they are adults.   This may not be the case for grandparents who are, by default, generally older and less likely to be around when the child grows up.

I am not saying kids should be forced to see them.  Kids might want to see them,  might have already built a relationship with them, might miss them.   Sometimes people slit up badly, and that sometimes means parents make such decisions to spite the other parent.   

Kids should never be made to kiss grandparents.  I remember as a child my mom always used to say "we are going now, give Grandma a kiss"  and i used to hate it.  yuk. 

 
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 07:07:34 PM »
It depends on the state here. State laws in Pa. grant visitation to grandparents after six months as long as it is in the best interest of the child and doesn't conflict with the parent/child relationship... and as long as the child is not put up for adoption.

I agree with that as long as the grandparents are truly interested in seeing their grandchildren and they can put any agendas or hateful feelings behind them and focus on the child I think it's a good thing...sometimes the parents of those going through a divorce are more bitter and caustic about the divorce than the couple divorcing and it's not good for the child.
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 10:15:55 PM »
I think if a kid is old enough to say they want to see their grandparents then they should be able to.  Unless they are known kiddy fiddlers. 

Governments overrule wishes of parents anyway when they award custody.   Why should a parents prejudice affect the rights of other family members?

Perhaps they do in the UK, but if the parents come to an agreement in America, a judge is unlikely to change it. In general, judges don't interfere unless there's a dispute between the parents.

Why do grandparents deserve any rights to see a child? It's not their child, and there are family members closer to the child (the parents) who are qualified to make decisions for him/her. And if grandparents have rights, why not award visitation to all family members? Could an aunt or a first cousin sue for visitation?

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It's not their child, and there are family members closer to the child (the parents) who are qualified to make decisions for him/her.
  How do you know that?  There are plenty of kids who have deceased parent/s.

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Could an aunt or a first cousin sue for visitation?
I wouldn't extend it that far.  The child can see whoever they want once they are adults.   This may not be the case for grandparents who are, by default, generally older and less likely to be around when the child grows up.

I am not saying kids should be forced to see them.  Kids might want to see them,  might have already built a relationship with them, might miss them.   Sometimes people slit up badly, and that sometimes means parents make such decisions to spite the other parent.   

Kids should never be made to kiss grandparents.  I remember as a child my mom always used to say "we are going now, give Grandma a kiss"  and i used to hate it.  yuk. 

So what are you saying? What are visitation rights except forcing children to see their grandparents?
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 05:10:46 AM »
No, i am not advocating forcing kids to see their grandparents.  Only that they should be able to if they want to. 
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 08:18:40 AM »
No, i am not advocating forcing kids to see their grandparents.  Only that they should be able to if they want to.

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Then the child has the right, not the grandparents.
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 01:02:35 AM »
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Re: A million grandparents in UK not seeing their grandchildren
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2014, 02:11:25 AM »
Yes.
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